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"Good SF Family Neighborhood"
This little gem of a neighborhood is buried away on the hills just to the west of Noe Valley. It is a somewhat newer area as compared to much of the SF, with the oldest homes seeming to date to the 1980’s. The homes are largely squarish condo style homes—many sporting wood shingles, popular to the area. The hilly area offers very nice views out to the bay and the easterly facing hills somewhat shield it from the worst of the foggy weather that marks the Sunset District.
This is a residential neighborhood and has many of the conveniences of such, including its own Safeway supermarket with an ample parking lot—a relative rarity in much of corner market infested SF—and the usual drugstores, etc. Basically, just about everything you would expect in a suburban community of this kind.
Given what I have said about this neighborhood so far, you might expect rents to equal the elevated heights. In fact, however, the prices are relatively moderate given these facts. On average, most rents go for about $1500/room for homes that are 2-bedrooms or more (most are 2-4 rooms in this area). Single room homes tend to jump to $2800 for some reason, but this may simply be a fluke—not many of these kinds of homes around here.
So, the prices are relatively moderate given the location.
You won’t find much to write home about in terms of restaurants or bars (there are a few of the first and none of the second that I know of) but you are so close to Noe, Castro and the Mission, that this is not really a problem—you could be eating at a great restaurant in 15 minutes no matter what the traffic.
One thing there is however is a number of good choices in terms of education and childcare. The San Francisco School of the Arts High School is here and there are at least a half dozen choices for the younger kids. Basically, this is a nice family nook on the western side of SF—somewhat expensive but nowhere near as some of the even more expensive areas on the other side of the hills.
This is a residential neighborhood and has many of the conveniences of such, including its own Safeway supermarket with an ample parking lot—a relative rarity in much of corner market infested SF—and the usual drugstores, etc. Basically, just about everything you would expect in a suburban community of this kind.
Given what I have said about this neighborhood so far, you might expect rents to equal the elevated heights. In fact, however, the prices are relatively moderate given these facts. On average, most rents go for about $1500/room for homes that are 2-bedrooms or more (most are 2-4 rooms in this area). Single room homes tend to jump to $2800 for some reason, but this may simply be a fluke—not many of these kinds of homes around here.
So, the prices are relatively moderate given the location.
You won’t find much to write home about in terms of restaurants or bars (there are a few of the first and none of the second that I know of) but you are so close to Noe, Castro and the Mission, that this is not really a problem—you could be eating at a great restaurant in 15 minutes no matter what the traffic.
One thing there is however is a number of good choices in terms of education and childcare. The San Francisco School of the Arts High School is here and there are at least a half dozen choices for the younger kids. Basically, this is a nice family nook on the western side of SF—somewhat expensive but nowhere near as some of the even more expensive areas on the other side of the hills.
Pros
- Nice Newer Homes
- Supermarket
- Close to SF
Cons
- Somewhat Expensive
- No Real Night LIfe
- A Little Boring
Recommended for
- Families with kids
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"Giants and Giant Plans"
Mission Bay (including the neighborhood area sometimes called China Basin) is the next step in the expansion migrating south from South Beach and SoMa. The long term plan is to continue to extend this growth as far as Bayview and Hunter’s Point—a prospect that has raised a great deal of controversy over the years.
In this area, unlike just to the north, much of promised growth is still in the future. You do have AT&T Park on its northern end (though the traffic for it doesn’t usually venture down here). You also have the UCSF extension in the neighborhood which ensures there will be growth on the campus’ periphery. Much of the landscape around the campus is still made up of empty lots and the detritus of the industrial docks that used to mark this area.
The China Basin area and the section of the neighborhood just to the south of the SoMa and the Bay Bridge freeway is
significantly more developed. Really it is just the southern extension of SoMa in terms of feel. (Government and commercial office buildings can be found here along with recreation areas like the dozen courts of the SF Tennis Club and number of restaurants—from McDonalds to some of slightly better quality, though not much to write home about at this point.)
There is also an Academy of Art College here.
Shopping is plentiful in the area. You can find everything from bicycle repair shops to florists. Many businesses take advantage of the moderate rents of the area and the proximity to major SF areas to set down stakes here. You will find everything from radio station headquarters to architectural firms and schools in the area.
Little about this northern section of the neighborhood is spectacular, but every city needs at least one or too such highly useful areas like this to support he commercial interests of the rest of the city.
In this area, unlike just to the north, much of promised growth is still in the future. You do have AT&T Park on its northern end (though the traffic for it doesn’t usually venture down here). You also have the UCSF extension in the neighborhood which ensures there will be growth on the campus’ periphery. Much of the landscape around the campus is still made up of empty lots and the detritus of the industrial docks that used to mark this area.
The China Basin area and the section of the neighborhood just to the south of the SoMa and the Bay Bridge freeway is
significantly more developed. Really it is just the southern extension of SoMa in terms of feel. (Government and commercial office buildings can be found here along with recreation areas like the dozen courts of the SF Tennis Club and number of restaurants—from McDonalds to some of slightly better quality, though not much to write home about at this point.)
There is also an Academy of Art College here.
Shopping is plentiful in the area. You can find everything from bicycle repair shops to florists. Many businesses take advantage of the moderate rents of the area and the proximity to major SF areas to set down stakes here. You will find everything from radio station headquarters to architectural firms and schools in the area.
Little about this northern section of the neighborhood is spectacular, but every city needs at least one or too such highly useful areas like this to support he commercial interests of the rest of the city.
Pros
- UC SF Extension
- AT&T Park
- Lots of Stores
Cons
- Lots of Construction
- Unremarkable Restaurants
- No Nightlife
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"Expensive High Rise Living"
You find South Beach on the far eastern edge of SoMa. I need to tell you because this neighborhood did not exist just a few years ago. This is part of the on-going effort to market SF by creating a series of neighborhoods like this. Usually they have names taken from other more prosperous neighborhoods (like “Lower Nob Hill”) or from other famous areas in other cities (South of Market is thus SoMa to recall New York’s SoHo).
So here we have South Beach—though the area has less the feel of Miami than some of the nicer areas of Boston. Just a couple of years ago there were still buildings going up and a ton of empty lots. Now however, you will find few signs of the massive construction project that created this area (at least south of the Bay Bridge—on the northern end there are still some projects still underway). Someone walking through might be mistaken in thinking this neighborhood has been here for a generation, at least—except for the amazingly high ratio of newer buildings and lack of Victorians—a rarity for SF.
So what is the cost like in this area? The typical apartment in the area averages around $2500/room with prices rising the closer you get to the ocean. (It is not unusual to see a one-room for $3800 in the close to the waters of the bay.) Put simply, this is one of the priciest places to live in a city that is known for its high cost of living.
What about nightlife and entertainment? Well, we need to start with AT&T Park of course. The home of the Giants is a magnet for foot traffic to the area and a whole set of restaurants and other shops have moved in to take advantage of both the high rent apartments and the fan traffic.
Restaurants of note in the area include One Market, Boulevard and Ozumo right along the waterfront—many of these are in the classy lounge style featuring American cuisine (like Serpentine in Dogpatch to the south).
There are also a number of bars in the area, starting with the Gordon Bierschi Brewery and the Hi Dive.
Overall, if you can afford to pay the equivalent of a teacher’s salary in rent, this makes for a very nice spot to live.
So here we have South Beach—though the area has less the feel of Miami than some of the nicer areas of Boston. Just a couple of years ago there were still buildings going up and a ton of empty lots. Now however, you will find few signs of the massive construction project that created this area (at least south of the Bay Bridge—on the northern end there are still some projects still underway). Someone walking through might be mistaken in thinking this neighborhood has been here for a generation, at least—except for the amazingly high ratio of newer buildings and lack of Victorians—a rarity for SF.
So what is the cost like in this area? The typical apartment in the area averages around $2500/room with prices rising the closer you get to the ocean. (It is not unusual to see a one-room for $3800 in the close to the waters of the bay.) Put simply, this is one of the priciest places to live in a city that is known for its high cost of living.
What about nightlife and entertainment? Well, we need to start with AT&T Park of course. The home of the Giants is a magnet for foot traffic to the area and a whole set of restaurants and other shops have moved in to take advantage of both the high rent apartments and the fan traffic.
Restaurants of note in the area include One Market, Boulevard and Ozumo right along the waterfront—many of these are in the classy lounge style featuring American cuisine (like Serpentine in Dogpatch to the south).
There are also a number of bars in the area, starting with the Gordon Bierschi Brewery and the Hi Dive.
Overall, if you can afford to pay the equivalent of a teacher’s salary in rent, this makes for a very nice spot to live.
Pros
- New High Rises
- Good Restaurants
- Great views
- Baseball stadium
Cons
- Very Expensive
- Parking
- Some industrial areas
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Trendy & Stylish
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"A Walk on the Wild Side"
What you have heard about the Tenderloin is pretty much true. It is definitely the most dangerous area north of Market St., and perhaps the second most dangerous area in all of SF. It definitely doesn’t hide this fact either. There are blocks in the Tenderloin where you will literally be afraid to make it to the end of the block.
The oddity of this neighborhood, of course, is that it is bordered by a couple of neighborhoods known for their affluence: Nob Hill and Downtown. This is the thing about San Francisco, you will literally have low cost housing projects and massage parlors within just a block or two of high class jewelry stores and theaters. Of course, this does create quite a bit of a problem in terms of crime.
How bad is the crime here? Well the Tenderloin experiences a full quarter more crime than the Mission (also known for its crime) even though the Tenderloin has about half the population. Basically, your are twice as likely to have a crime committed against in this area than anywhere else in this part of San Francisco.
There are apartments for rent in this area, and though they are definitely less expensive on average than some apartments just a few blocks outside of this neighborhood, many are only moderately downgraded for the dangers of the neighborhood. Many still have price tags above $1500 for a one-room. Though you can find some at $1000, very few are willing to deal with the crime in the area in order to take advantage of any small savings in rent.
Despite all of this, the Tenderloin is the place for a wide variety of restaurants and bars: Indian places like Shalimar, Naan-n-Curry and New Delhi; lots of cheap Thai places (Little Saigon is here—I know that Thailand and Vietnam are not the same places by the way—no need for mail); and, oddly enough, a fair number of vegetarian restaurants like Millennium and Ananda Fuara.
In terms of bars and nightlife you have gay dance clubs like Deco Lounge and Bearracuda; pricy lounges like Bourbon and Branch, and the Redwood Lounge; and outright dives like the Ha-Ra Club, Hi-Tide and of course, Mr. Lews.
There is certainly no lack of things to do in this neighborhood. This is still not somewhere you would want to live, however.
The oddity of this neighborhood, of course, is that it is bordered by a couple of neighborhoods known for their affluence: Nob Hill and Downtown. This is the thing about San Francisco, you will literally have low cost housing projects and massage parlors within just a block or two of high class jewelry stores and theaters. Of course, this does create quite a bit of a problem in terms of crime.
How bad is the crime here? Well the Tenderloin experiences a full quarter more crime than the Mission (also known for its crime) even though the Tenderloin has about half the population. Basically, your are twice as likely to have a crime committed against in this area than anywhere else in this part of San Francisco.
There are apartments for rent in this area, and though they are definitely less expensive on average than some apartments just a few blocks outside of this neighborhood, many are only moderately downgraded for the dangers of the neighborhood. Many still have price tags above $1500 for a one-room. Though you can find some at $1000, very few are willing to deal with the crime in the area in order to take advantage of any small savings in rent.
Despite all of this, the Tenderloin is the place for a wide variety of restaurants and bars: Indian places like Shalimar, Naan-n-Curry and New Delhi; lots of cheap Thai places (Little Saigon is here—I know that Thailand and Vietnam are not the same places by the way—no need for mail); and, oddly enough, a fair number of vegetarian restaurants like Millennium and Ananda Fuara.
In terms of bars and nightlife you have gay dance clubs like Deco Lounge and Bearracuda; pricy lounges like Bourbon and Branch, and the Redwood Lounge; and outright dives like the Ha-Ra Club, Hi-Tide and of course, Mr. Lews.
There is certainly no lack of things to do in this neighborhood. This is still not somewhere you would want to live, however.
Pros
- dive bars
- moderate rents
- good restaurants
Cons
- unsafe
- Dirty
Recommended for
- Singles
- Hipsters
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"The High Class Commercial Heart of SF"
When you start talking about Downtown San Francisco you have to start with Union Square one of the best shopping districts in all of SF. If there is any spot in SF where you could mistake the area for New York City, it is Union Square.
From the multiple story department stores, to the classy hotels with doormen as heralds, the area just exudes the commercial vibe of a large metropolis. In December all you would need is some fake snow to the get the same cheer you find in a New York.
So what is there to do in this area?
Shopping: Let’s start with the department stores: Bloomingdale’s, Nordstroms, Macy’s, even a Loehmann’s. And that’s just department stores. Looking for jewelry? You can find more than a dozen jewelers in this neighborhood. Want original artwork? You have a gallery for each finger on both your hands. A great bookstore: those covered too. Put simply, if it is pricey—you can find it here.
Hotels: The Four Seasons, Donatello or Palomar are right in the square and the Intercontinental and its clutch of high class rivals are just a few blocks north in Nob Hill.
Restaurants: Five-star restaurants where you can spend as much on one meal as some people make in month? Try Masa, for French; Farallon, for seafood; or the classic Morton’s, for a good bloody steak.
Bars: You also have a range of night spots, from high class joints like Summer Place to dives like Chelsea Place, you’ll find them here.
Theaters: Of course this is also the epicenter of the theater district, including one of the very best West Coast companies, the ACT and the Geary Theater. The Curran is also here, so you definitely have your bases covered when it comes to high brow art.
Put simply, if you can’t find something to like about this area (even if you can’t afford any of it), then you should really check whether you are still alive.
From the multiple story department stores, to the classy hotels with doormen as heralds, the area just exudes the commercial vibe of a large metropolis. In December all you would need is some fake snow to the get the same cheer you find in a New York.
So what is there to do in this area?
Shopping: Let’s start with the department stores: Bloomingdale’s, Nordstroms, Macy’s, even a Loehmann’s. And that’s just department stores. Looking for jewelry? You can find more than a dozen jewelers in this neighborhood. Want original artwork? You have a gallery for each finger on both your hands. A great bookstore: those covered too. Put simply, if it is pricey—you can find it here.
Hotels: The Four Seasons, Donatello or Palomar are right in the square and the Intercontinental and its clutch of high class rivals are just a few blocks north in Nob Hill.
Restaurants: Five-star restaurants where you can spend as much on one meal as some people make in month? Try Masa, for French; Farallon, for seafood; or the classic Morton’s, for a good bloody steak.
Bars: You also have a range of night spots, from high class joints like Summer Place to dives like Chelsea Place, you’ll find them here.
Theaters: Of course this is also the epicenter of the theater district, including one of the very best West Coast companies, the ACT and the Geary Theater. The Curran is also here, so you definitely have your bases covered when it comes to high brow art.
Put simply, if you can’t find something to like about this area (even if you can’t afford any of it), then you should really check whether you are still alive.
Pros
- great live theaters
- many stores
- union square park
Cons
- expensive
- crowds
- homeless population
- Full of tourists
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Tourists
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Opera and the Homeless"
Bordering the Tenderloin, the Civic Center is, as the name indicates, the location of SF’s City Hall and the Opera House. The Civic Center, much like the Financial District is not known as place where you rent apartments since it is largely a commercial and governmental area with large old stone buildings. (I think many of them date to the period after the 1906 Earthquake when they went through a large building boom leading up to the 1916 World’s Fair.)
There are, however, a fair number of apartments in older, Hitchcock era buildings. If you like feelings as if you are in the 1950’s or sooner, you will love the lobbies and elegant stonework of these classic structures. The interiors of the actual apartments are usually modernized, so you will have modern conveniences. The typical price for such apartments are around $1800/room so you are paying for your proximity to the high brow arts center of SF.
One of the other problems that you have to consider if you are going to live in this area, is that you get a strong spill over from the Tenderloin in terms of crime and homelessness. This is definitely no small matter when you have to go out your door every day. This is the reason that so many ads for apartments will advertise being on the third story or above, because they know people don’t feel safe living on the first or second floor of apartments in the area.
Among the many highbrow entertainment venues in the area are the SF Opera House—definitely a world class outfit and the amazing venue is a must if you are a long term SF resident as is the adjacent SF Ballet. (I’ve come here for the classic Nutcracker during Christmas and found the experience quite wonderful—even though it is a total cliché and more than a little pricy.)
All these venues are packed along two to three blocks of Van Ness, the central north south artery in SF.
The nearby Tenderloin also makes this the capitol of dive bars which are just out from the upper class entertainments.
The whole location actually feels in most ways more like New York than SF.
There are, however, a fair number of apartments in older, Hitchcock era buildings. If you like feelings as if you are in the 1950’s or sooner, you will love the lobbies and elegant stonework of these classic structures. The interiors of the actual apartments are usually modernized, so you will have modern conveniences. The typical price for such apartments are around $1800/room so you are paying for your proximity to the high brow arts center of SF.
One of the other problems that you have to consider if you are going to live in this area, is that you get a strong spill over from the Tenderloin in terms of crime and homelessness. This is definitely no small matter when you have to go out your door every day. This is the reason that so many ads for apartments will advertise being on the third story or above, because they know people don’t feel safe living on the first or second floor of apartments in the area.
Among the many highbrow entertainment venues in the area are the SF Opera House—definitely a world class outfit and the amazing venue is a must if you are a long term SF resident as is the adjacent SF Ballet. (I’ve come here for the classic Nutcracker during Christmas and found the experience quite wonderful—even though it is a total cliché and more than a little pricy.)
All these venues are packed along two to three blocks of Van Ness, the central north south artery in SF.
The nearby Tenderloin also makes this the capitol of dive bars which are just out from the upper class entertainments.
The whole location actually feels in most ways more like New York than SF.
Pros
- Classy Older Buildings
Cons
- crime worries
- crowded
- homeless population
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Trendy & Stylish
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"SF's Museum District"
SoMa is the highly commercial area of the city just to the south of the Financial District. And like the Financial District, there are not a lot of residences here. There are lots of office buildings, hotels, and museums in this area including the company I am currently involved with so I know this area fairly well.
It is actually fairly difficult to summarize all that is going here. But let’s give it a shot:
Museums: This is really SF’s museum. Yes, it is true the De-Young is in Golden Gate Park, and the Legion of Honor is up near Sea Cliff, but this area has at least half a dozen major museums including the SF MoMA, the Yerba Buena Center, and the Jewish Contemporary Museum.
Convention Centers: This, along with the Financial District is also one of the most popular areas for booking conventions being home to a number of hotels and the huge Moscone Convention Center.
Hotels: There are also a number of fine hotels that service the area including the Intercontinental and the Four Seasons.
Restaurants: The high traffic in the area also means a wide variety of eateries as well. A few of the best are Le Charm, a French restaurant; Luce; and Muchica, a Latin-American place. There are also a number of lower cost places as well. It really runs the gamut.
Bars: Whenever you are close to a financial district and a convention center, you will definitely get your share of bars to cater to these workers after hours and this is no exception. In SoMa you get a number of Irish pubs (e.g., the Chieftain) and south of 7th a number of gay bars like Club 8, KOK Bar, and The Stud (this used to be a big gay area before the action moved down to Castro).
Crime: Crime in the area is relatively high—as you would expect in a spot that looks as run down in spots as this one. You are mostly okay if you keep your wits about you in the day, but at night it is much more of a dicey situation.
Overall, I would say this is a great place to visit and have fun but not really somewhere you want to take a walk through after hours unless you are in a group. The museums are world class, the restaurants delicious, the bars are wild! What else could you want?
It is actually fairly difficult to summarize all that is going here. But let’s give it a shot:
Museums: This is really SF’s museum. Yes, it is true the De-Young is in Golden Gate Park, and the Legion of Honor is up near Sea Cliff, but this area has at least half a dozen major museums including the SF MoMA, the Yerba Buena Center, and the Jewish Contemporary Museum.
Convention Centers: This, along with the Financial District is also one of the most popular areas for booking conventions being home to a number of hotels and the huge Moscone Convention Center.
Hotels: There are also a number of fine hotels that service the area including the Intercontinental and the Four Seasons.
Restaurants: The high traffic in the area also means a wide variety of eateries as well. A few of the best are Le Charm, a French restaurant; Luce; and Muchica, a Latin-American place. There are also a number of lower cost places as well. It really runs the gamut.
Bars: Whenever you are close to a financial district and a convention center, you will definitely get your share of bars to cater to these workers after hours and this is no exception. In SoMa you get a number of Irish pubs (e.g., the Chieftain) and south of 7th a number of gay bars like Club 8, KOK Bar, and The Stud (this used to be a big gay area before the action moved down to Castro).
Crime: Crime in the area is relatively high—as you would expect in a spot that looks as run down in spots as this one. You are mostly okay if you keep your wits about you in the day, but at night it is much more of a dicey situation.
Overall, I would say this is a great place to visit and have fun but not really somewhere you want to take a walk through after hours unless you are in a group. The museums are world class, the restaurants delicious, the bars are wild! What else could you want?
Pros
- Great art
- Great nightlife
- Shopping
Cons
- Some run-down areas
- Expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Pest Free
- Public Transport
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"A Great Triangle"
Duboce Triangle is a little neighborhood just to the north of the Castro—it’s name, as is obvious from anyone who has seen it on a map, derives from it shape. Duboce Triangle is known as a pretty quiet neighborhood that is home to a medical center and that has certain amenities like a supermarket, and a very nice dog park at its heart.
The homes here are tightly packed Victorians for the most part. There is a Muni bus line that runs right by the park disappearing underground right by the Buena Vista Park (the other park in the area).
Here’s the round-up of Duboce:
Rents—Rents in Duboce Triangle vary a fair amount with some places dropping to $850 while others rise to as much $2600/room. On average most places average around $1700/room, low compared to the Castro just to the south or the Twin Peaks areas to the west.
Eateries—Not that you really need them with the Mission, Castro and the Haight so close, but there are also about half dozen inexpensive sandwich shops in the area.
Bars and Nightspots—Duboce is not really known for its nightspots but there are even a few of these here—a clutch of dive bars: Noc Noc, Toranado, and The Residence right by Market. Again, it doesn’t really need to have these given its location.
Supermarkets—And even though it has the luxury of a Safeway right in its borders, the neighborhood still doesn’t lack corner grocery stores—thus you could say it has the best of both worlds.
Crime—Despite its reputation for being a fairly quiet neighborhood, the crime rate is comparable to the Mission and the surrounding areas when population is taken into consideration. Given the fairly amount of homeless people in the area this should not come as much of a surprise to those who frequent the area.
The homes here are tightly packed Victorians for the most part. There is a Muni bus line that runs right by the park disappearing underground right by the Buena Vista Park (the other park in the area).
Here’s the round-up of Duboce:
Rents—Rents in Duboce Triangle vary a fair amount with some places dropping to $850 while others rise to as much $2600/room. On average most places average around $1700/room, low compared to the Castro just to the south or the Twin Peaks areas to the west.
Eateries—Not that you really need them with the Mission, Castro and the Haight so close, but there are also about half dozen inexpensive sandwich shops in the area.
Bars and Nightspots—Duboce is not really known for its nightspots but there are even a few of these here—a clutch of dive bars: Noc Noc, Toranado, and The Residence right by Market. Again, it doesn’t really need to have these given its location.
Supermarkets—And even though it has the luxury of a Safeway right in its borders, the neighborhood still doesn’t lack corner grocery stores—thus you could say it has the best of both worlds.
Crime—Despite its reputation for being a fairly quiet neighborhood, the crime rate is comparable to the Mission and the surrounding areas when population is taken into consideration. Given the fairly amount of homeless people in the area this should not come as much of a surprise to those who frequent the area.
Pros
- relatively affordable
- supermarket
- Close to everything
- dog heaven
Cons
- crime
- childcare
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Under-Appreciated Beautiful Neighborhood"
This little area is less a neighborhood onto itself than an extension of Twin Peaks. I actually call it Twin Peaks East. It basically has the same kind of houses and views that Twin Peaks has. It only gets designated as its separate neighborhood because it skirts the southern edge of Buena Vista Park. It is a lovely area with the same kind of boxy modernist style condos as Twin Peaks.
Unlike Twin Peaks however, there are some stores and corner markets here and you are more in the middle of the action here. You can literally be into central Castro in five minutes walking.
Notable for this neighborhood is the presence of the Randall Museum—a bird museum for kids and also a favorite spot for marriages apparently because of the views and park space. There is also a large assisted living facility up there that is well-regarded.
Where Buena Vista changes complexion is on the eastern side of the park however. This is where the homes are the most beautiful as far as I am concerned. If you really want to see some amazing architecture you should drop by here and check it out. It is right at the western edge of the Duboce Triangle. Especially right where Duboce Street dead ends at the park is where you get one of the most beautiful areas in the city in my opinion, with its row of descending palms and the Mediterranean home there. The tennis courts across the street are also a good spot to get some exercise.
I actually think this spot should be added to the list of tourist stops like Lombard Street—it is that beautiful.
Unlike Twin Peaks however, there are some stores and corner markets here and you are more in the middle of the action here. You can literally be into central Castro in five minutes walking.
Notable for this neighborhood is the presence of the Randall Museum—a bird museum for kids and also a favorite spot for marriages apparently because of the views and park space. There is also a large assisted living facility up there that is well-regarded.
Where Buena Vista changes complexion is on the eastern side of the park however. This is where the homes are the most beautiful as far as I am concerned. If you really want to see some amazing architecture you should drop by here and check it out. It is right at the western edge of the Duboce Triangle. Especially right where Duboce Street dead ends at the park is where you get one of the most beautiful areas in the city in my opinion, with its row of descending palms and the Mediterranean home there. The tennis courts across the street are also a good spot to get some exercise.
I actually think this spot should be added to the list of tourist stops like Lombard Street—it is that beautiful.
Pros
- Beautiful Architecture
- the park
- the views
Cons
- Expensive
- Poor Transportation
- steep
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Retirees
- Tourists
- Country Lovers
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Pest Free
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"For Squares"
What to say about Twin Peaks?
Well let’s start with, my ex-lives here with her new guy, the patent troll. This is mostly incidental except to say that it is the kind of area where a lot of lawyers and well-off types live. The houses here are all pretty much of the square, modernist variety with good views pointing mostly to the south, but also up towards the Golden Gate from some spots. Despite its notoriety it really is a fairly small spot right to the western edge of Castro.
The neighborhood really feels like a condominium complex in spots. The streets feel like the alleys between wings of an apartment complex with first floor garages and back windows facing down onto the street. It is all nice and clean without a lot of traffic once you are off Market/Portola.
Most homes are a little larger here than in other spots just to the east with a fair number of 3 bedrooms. Rents—to the extent that you can find rentals—are around $1700 per room for the most part though on some of the larger places it drops (per room, no overall). The area is actually pretty nice in terms of location, just far enough from things so that you can feel as if you are getting away from the city but not so far that you can’t be at a Castro or Cole Valley restaurant in a quarter of an hour.
There is virtually no crime here, because of the enclosed feeling. You just don’t get vagrants or that kind of element up from Market which works like a wall and moat for Twin Peaks.
There are really no stores or restaurants in Twin Peaks. Though there are a few close to the edges that people might try to count as part of Twin Peaks though they are really more properly part of the surrounding neighborhoods.
As to schools, there is an elementary school up here in the hills which is okay. Most people in this area, however, send their kids to private school—places like the Lycee Francais down in the eastern Sunset.
Overall, it is a nice residential neighborhood with really good views. Good if you can afford it or are married to someone that can.
Well let’s start with, my ex-lives here with her new guy, the patent troll. This is mostly incidental except to say that it is the kind of area where a lot of lawyers and well-off types live. The houses here are all pretty much of the square, modernist variety with good views pointing mostly to the south, but also up towards the Golden Gate from some spots. Despite its notoriety it really is a fairly small spot right to the western edge of Castro.
The neighborhood really feels like a condominium complex in spots. The streets feel like the alleys between wings of an apartment complex with first floor garages and back windows facing down onto the street. It is all nice and clean without a lot of traffic once you are off Market/Portola.
Most homes are a little larger here than in other spots just to the east with a fair number of 3 bedrooms. Rents—to the extent that you can find rentals—are around $1700 per room for the most part though on some of the larger places it drops (per room, no overall). The area is actually pretty nice in terms of location, just far enough from things so that you can feel as if you are getting away from the city but not so far that you can’t be at a Castro or Cole Valley restaurant in a quarter of an hour.
There is virtually no crime here, because of the enclosed feeling. You just don’t get vagrants or that kind of element up from Market which works like a wall and moat for Twin Peaks.
There are really no stores or restaurants in Twin Peaks. Though there are a few close to the edges that people might try to count as part of Twin Peaks though they are really more properly part of the surrounding neighborhoods.
As to schools, there is an elementary school up here in the hills which is okay. Most people in this area, however, send their kids to private school—places like the Lycee Francais down in the eastern Sunset.
Overall, it is a nice residential neighborhood with really good views. Good if you can afford it or are married to someone that can.
Pros
- Nice Larger Houses
- Safe Neighborhood
- the views
Cons
- No Restaurants
- Expensive
- no shopping
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Gay & Lesbian
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"Good Affordable Neighborhood"
Okay, so Noe Valley is not quite the hotspot it once was but it still is one of the most affordable places to live in SF area and it definitely feels a little bit safer than a lot of the surrounding areas. Here’s my break down of this neighborhood:
The Pros:
--The Rents: Although not rock bottom, they are pretty moderate with the average room going for about $1200. You can even find some occasional steals.
--The Restaurants: Noe residents are fairly picky, but they definitely have a number of choices to choose from: Firefly is probably the signature restaurant of Noe Valley and it leads the little contingent of about half a dozen high end Italian places that give not only local residents but a lot of visitors good—though somewhat pricey--choices for their dining pleasure. But it doesn’t lack variety here either. More moderately priced like Eric’s (a Chinese place), Fattoush (a Middle-Eastern joint) and Fresca, a Peruvian place, run the gamut of ethnicities and prices. (Not that it would matter anyway with Castro and the Mission just to the north and east.)
--Bars and Pubs: You can also find a number of bars and pubs along 24th street on the northern end including Noe, The Dubliner, my personal favorite, Bliss Bar (a kind of cool Martini style bar)--the point being that if you live here you don’t have to leave the neighborhood to go to a restaurant or find something to do.
Bad Things about Noe:
--Public Schools: James Lick Middle School leaves a lot to be desired. Given that this is often billed as a family friendly SF neighborhood, it is surprising to have such a poor school here. Let me be clear, it isn’t a horrible school, it just is below average. Across the board they rank in the lower half for test scores. (Now there are some religious schools in the neighborhood that are possible alternatives to the public system. Immaculate Conception School is an example of these. The only problem is that it is hard to tell since these schools don’t have to report test scores. And, of course, if you have a problem with you kids being indoctrinated in a particular religious affiliation, this could be a further problem.)
--Crime Worries: I would not call Noe a dangerous place but they do get a fair number of break-in’s and that kind of thing, especially near its borders with the Mission and Castro—that is only to be expected in such a high traffic area.
So, overall, I would say this is a good affordable area to live, but not a great spot in terms of family living because of the schools.
The Pros:
--The Rents: Although not rock bottom, they are pretty moderate with the average room going for about $1200. You can even find some occasional steals.
--The Restaurants: Noe residents are fairly picky, but they definitely have a number of choices to choose from: Firefly is probably the signature restaurant of Noe Valley and it leads the little contingent of about half a dozen high end Italian places that give not only local residents but a lot of visitors good—though somewhat pricey--choices for their dining pleasure. But it doesn’t lack variety here either. More moderately priced like Eric’s (a Chinese place), Fattoush (a Middle-Eastern joint) and Fresca, a Peruvian place, run the gamut of ethnicities and prices. (Not that it would matter anyway with Castro and the Mission just to the north and east.)
--Bars and Pubs: You can also find a number of bars and pubs along 24th street on the northern end including Noe, The Dubliner, my personal favorite, Bliss Bar (a kind of cool Martini style bar)--the point being that if you live here you don’t have to leave the neighborhood to go to a restaurant or find something to do.
Bad Things about Noe:
--Public Schools: James Lick Middle School leaves a lot to be desired. Given that this is often billed as a family friendly SF neighborhood, it is surprising to have such a poor school here. Let me be clear, it isn’t a horrible school, it just is below average. Across the board they rank in the lower half for test scores. (Now there are some religious schools in the neighborhood that are possible alternatives to the public system. Immaculate Conception School is an example of these. The only problem is that it is hard to tell since these schools don’t have to report test scores. And, of course, if you have a problem with you kids being indoctrinated in a particular religious affiliation, this could be a further problem.)
--Crime Worries: I would not call Noe a dangerous place but they do get a fair number of break-in’s and that kind of thing, especially near its borders with the Mission and Castro—that is only to be expected in such a high traffic area.
So, overall, I would say this is a good affordable area to live, but not a great spot in terms of family living because of the schools.
Pros
- relatively affordable
- good shops
- lots of restaurants
- beautiful homes
Cons
- poor schools
- more crime than you might think
- can get crowded
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Gay & Lesbian
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"The Old and New Mission"
Mission Dolores is the area sandwiched between the Mission District and the Castro where the old Mission that founded San Francisco is. That basically makes it the oldest spot in SF. The old mission is actually the little tiny one. The bigger one was built afterwards.
If you are a movie fan you will no doubt recognize the whole area from one of the Hitchcock movies—Vertigo maybe?
The other attractions to the area are Dolores Park which gets a lot of residents from the surrounding area for events held in the park like their movie nights. People also treat it like a beach on warm days. Though it really isn’t that conducive to either these days in my opinion, given the cold summer that we have been having.
There are a number of bars and other attractions in the area, including the Tartine Bakery which is a lovely little French bakery and the ice cream from the Bi-Rite Café—you will have to wait in line for it, but like Lombard, it is becoming a destination for locals.
The restaurant scene is pretty strong in the area as well, with Delfina leading the way. This 5 –Star Italian restaurant is considered by many people to be the best restaurant in all of SF. I don’t know if I would go that far, but you will definitely have to wait for a table (even with a reservation) as if it were.
Overall this is a pretty cool spot to live, but watch out, rents are high and so is the crime. If you look at a crime map you find that much the Mission’s relatively notorious crime environment has its epicenter around here. So be careful if you are in the area.
I’m not sure this is the best place to live but it definitely has some destinations for those that like to have a good time.
If you are a movie fan you will no doubt recognize the whole area from one of the Hitchcock movies—Vertigo maybe?
The other attractions to the area are Dolores Park which gets a lot of residents from the surrounding area for events held in the park like their movie nights. People also treat it like a beach on warm days. Though it really isn’t that conducive to either these days in my opinion, given the cold summer that we have been having.
There are a number of bars and other attractions in the area, including the Tartine Bakery which is a lovely little French bakery and the ice cream from the Bi-Rite Café—you will have to wait in line for it, but like Lombard, it is becoming a destination for locals.
The restaurant scene is pretty strong in the area as well, with Delfina leading the way. This 5 –Star Italian restaurant is considered by many people to be the best restaurant in all of SF. I don’t know if I would go that far, but you will definitely have to wait for a table (even with a reservation) as if it were.
Overall this is a pretty cool spot to live, but watch out, rents are high and so is the crime. If you look at a crime map you find that much the Mission’s relatively notorious crime environment has its epicenter around here. So be careful if you are in the area.
I’m not sure this is the best place to live but it definitely has some destinations for those that like to have a good time.
Pros
- Dolores park
- great eateries
Cons
- crime center
- expensive rents
- homeless population
Recommended for
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
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"The Earth's Gayest Neighborhood--Deal With It!"
Where to start with the Castro. It is, of the course, the gayest neighborhood not only in San Francisco, but probably on the planet. And the thing is that in SF, we don’t hide the fact that we have the gay Mecca of the U.S. right at the heart of the city, we are damn proud of it. We take out our pink triangles and hold a parade—the way Boston or New York celebrate St. Patrick’s day. (Which, by the way, is also a good day to go bar hopping in Castro.)
Of course, this is pretty much a non-stop party virtually every night of the year. They have probably the best movie theater in all of the Bay Area, the Castro Theater which is always showing something cool or kitschy. It is one of the older theaters as well, built way back in the swinging 20’s.
It also has a great bar scene with almost a dozen bars within a block or two of the theater. They are all a lot of fun if you are a young gay guy. If you are straight guy and good looking, you can get some sense of what it is like to be a gal walking into to bar—which will either send you into a panic, or if you are like me, make you feel flattered. (Though I must admit that I don’t get that many looks. But still.)
There are also a number of restaurants, some of the five star variety but also a number of the just down-to-earth places serving good food at affordable prices. There are just too many of these places to list, but just take a stroll down Castro street and circle the block and you will see what I am talking about.
Now this is not really a “family” neighborhood. By which I mean that even the gay couples that adopt tend to move out this area to raise kids. (There are exceptions of course.) And if you were to raise kids in the area, you would have to teach them about the facts of life fairly early because this is definitely an adult rated neighborhood with sex shops and all that.
Also, as to rents, they tend to be pretty high. Typical per room costs in Castro range around $2000 with few dropping below $1500. That is, of course, because Castro is almost a rite-of-passage if you are young and gay. You want to say that at least for a year you lived here, right in the heart of the action.
Parking is also terrible in this neighborhood. So those with garages are the envy of everyone else. Once you get away from the main action around the theater it is a pretty quiet neighborhood for the most part. A lot like the Haight or North Beach, with Victorians and some more modernist type homes.
In terms of crime, relative to its eastern neighbor, the Mission, Castro has about the same level of crime when you take its population into consideration. So you should basically expect the same kind of problems with car break-ins and such although I think gang problems are not quite as much of a problem in Castro nor is the murder rate.
Ultimately a great place to visit, but hard to find a place to live here.
Of course, this is pretty much a non-stop party virtually every night of the year. They have probably the best movie theater in all of the Bay Area, the Castro Theater which is always showing something cool or kitschy. It is one of the older theaters as well, built way back in the swinging 20’s.
It also has a great bar scene with almost a dozen bars within a block or two of the theater. They are all a lot of fun if you are a young gay guy. If you are straight guy and good looking, you can get some sense of what it is like to be a gal walking into to bar—which will either send you into a panic, or if you are like me, make you feel flattered. (Though I must admit that I don’t get that many looks. But still.)
There are also a number of restaurants, some of the five star variety but also a number of the just down-to-earth places serving good food at affordable prices. There are just too many of these places to list, but just take a stroll down Castro street and circle the block and you will see what I am talking about.
Now this is not really a “family” neighborhood. By which I mean that even the gay couples that adopt tend to move out this area to raise kids. (There are exceptions of course.) And if you were to raise kids in the area, you would have to teach them about the facts of life fairly early because this is definitely an adult rated neighborhood with sex shops and all that.
Also, as to rents, they tend to be pretty high. Typical per room costs in Castro range around $2000 with few dropping below $1500. That is, of course, because Castro is almost a rite-of-passage if you are young and gay. You want to say that at least for a year you lived here, right in the heart of the action.
Parking is also terrible in this neighborhood. So those with garages are the envy of everyone else. Once you get away from the main action around the theater it is a pretty quiet neighborhood for the most part. A lot like the Haight or North Beach, with Victorians and some more modernist type homes.
In terms of crime, relative to its eastern neighbor, the Mission, Castro has about the same level of crime when you take its population into consideration. So you should basically expect the same kind of problems with car break-ins and such although I think gang problems are not quite as much of a problem in Castro nor is the murder rate.
Ultimately a great place to visit, but hard to find a place to live here.
Pros
- Delicious eateries
- Great bars
- Tolerant community
- Great energy
- Landmarks
Cons
- A Bit of Crime
- Expensive Rents
- Not friendly to cars
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
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"Okay City College Adjacent Hood"
Alright, you shouldn’t really think of Mission Terrace as anything like the Mission. In fact, I think that it doesn’t actually even border the Mission District, being separated by part of Bernal Heights. This neighborhood is not exactly beautiful, but it does have a certain quality to it that some might find attractive. It is made up of Spanish Revival style bungalows. They are fairly nicely kept and judging by the luxury cars parked outside, this neighborhood must have some high end sections.
So what should we make of this neighborhood?
Rents—The rents are fairly varied in this neighborhood—which is a little strange because from the outside the small lots and Mission style can look fairly homogenous. Most homes however go for about $850/mo. You can definitely find some for twice that amount.
Crime—Crime is only moderate here and there were no murders here last year.
Parks and Recreation—One of the nice things about this neighborhood is the presence of Balboa Park.
Education—The neighborhood is also to the east of City College of San Francisco, perhaps the best community college in the Bay Area. The local school, Balboa High is actually considered a fairly strong school although when you look at their scores on standardized tests they are strangely all over the board with some areas coming in the bottom quarter while others reach up into the top (and a fair number in between as well).
Restaurants—Like with its neighbor, the Excelsior District, restaurants are mostly along Mission and are mostly un-impressive. These are the kind of places you go to when you are too lazy or tired to go anywhere else.
Bars—The bars are a lot better. There are about a half dozen dives worth dropping in on—all on Mission. (Mission Street here, like in many parts of the actual Mission, has sort of slightly run down look to it, but definitely feels authentic.)
Some of the lower rent prices in this neighborhood can be explained by the nearby college, though I don’t think it is very common for students to move near community colleges in the same way they do for UCs or private universities like Stanford.
Overall, a little boring but definitely worth a look if you want to keep rents low or are a student in the area.
So what should we make of this neighborhood?
Rents—The rents are fairly varied in this neighborhood—which is a little strange because from the outside the small lots and Mission style can look fairly homogenous. Most homes however go for about $850/mo. You can definitely find some for twice that amount.
Crime—Crime is only moderate here and there were no murders here last year.
Parks and Recreation—One of the nice things about this neighborhood is the presence of Balboa Park.
Education—The neighborhood is also to the east of City College of San Francisco, perhaps the best community college in the Bay Area. The local school, Balboa High is actually considered a fairly strong school although when you look at their scores on standardized tests they are strangely all over the board with some areas coming in the bottom quarter while others reach up into the top (and a fair number in between as well).
Restaurants—Like with its neighbor, the Excelsior District, restaurants are mostly along Mission and are mostly un-impressive. These are the kind of places you go to when you are too lazy or tired to go anywhere else.
Bars—The bars are a lot better. There are about a half dozen dives worth dropping in on—all on Mission. (Mission Street here, like in many parts of the actual Mission, has sort of slightly run down look to it, but definitely feels authentic.)
Some of the lower rent prices in this neighborhood can be explained by the nearby college, though I don’t think it is very common for students to move near community colleges in the same way they do for UCs or private universities like Stanford.
Overall, a little boring but definitely worth a look if you want to keep rents low or are a student in the area.
Pros
- Affordable
- Close to City College
- Good Dive Bars
Cons
- Bland
- Mediocre Restaurants
- Old Home Problems
Recommended for
- Retirees
- Students
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"Affordable But Boring"
Excelsior or the Excelsior District as it is known is one of those neighborhoods of fairly monotone looking homes lined up in rows at the southern end of the city. The homes here are fairly boring looking and the slope of the hills are pretty soft. You do get some good views looking north in areas and out to the bay, but this is no longer the really beautiful area of SF.
Okay, so what does the Excelsior have to offer?
John McLaren Park—This is not an outstanding park—SF has tons of parks so the competition is pretty high, but I definitely think it is one of draws of this neighborhood. It has a golf course, hiking trails, tennis courts, etc.—just about everything you could want from a park. But don’t come here at night, though I could say the same for every park in the city from Golden Gate Park to San Bruno.
Rents—This is about as reasonable as it gets in terms of rents. You can find rents averaging around $1K throughout Excelsior. So this is definitely a place to look into if you are looking for an inexpensive place to live that is still relatively close to the city.
Restaurants—There are number of Asian food joints along Mission on the western side of the neighborhood (the residents of the neighborhood are fairly evenly divided between East Asians and Hispanic), but none of these eateries are really much to write home about. In other words, I never once remember someone suggesting that we should head over to one of the restaurants in the Excelsior in order to get something. These are more the kind of places that you go to if you happen to be in the area and don’t want to schlep into the city.
Bars—There is a little bit of nightlife here, however, in the form of dive bars like Pissed-Off Pete’s and Bottom’s Up also along Mission. I don’t know if I would call these outstanding, but they are nice places to hang out if you are already in the area.
Schools—Unfortunately the schools are a big drawback for parents moving here. The local elementary, Cleveland has some of the worst ratings in the city, with CST scores in the bottom quarter almost across the board. If the elementary school is like that, you know that this will pretty much follow through at all levels.
Overall, I would say that the neighborhood is okay, though not fantastic. A good spot for living affordably that offers a few okay entertainments, but whose main draw is location. It is close enough to the city that you could be virtually anywhere in the city in about 30 minutes, but also far enough where you could commute to Palo Alto relatively easy.
It is not however a truly attractive neighborhood that people are dieing to move to.
Okay, so what does the Excelsior have to offer?
John McLaren Park—This is not an outstanding park—SF has tons of parks so the competition is pretty high, but I definitely think it is one of draws of this neighborhood. It has a golf course, hiking trails, tennis courts, etc.—just about everything you could want from a park. But don’t come here at night, though I could say the same for every park in the city from Golden Gate Park to San Bruno.
Rents—This is about as reasonable as it gets in terms of rents. You can find rents averaging around $1K throughout Excelsior. So this is definitely a place to look into if you are looking for an inexpensive place to live that is still relatively close to the city.
Restaurants—There are number of Asian food joints along Mission on the western side of the neighborhood (the residents of the neighborhood are fairly evenly divided between East Asians and Hispanic), but none of these eateries are really much to write home about. In other words, I never once remember someone suggesting that we should head over to one of the restaurants in the Excelsior in order to get something. These are more the kind of places that you go to if you happen to be in the area and don’t want to schlep into the city.
Bars—There is a little bit of nightlife here, however, in the form of dive bars like Pissed-Off Pete’s and Bottom’s Up also along Mission. I don’t know if I would call these outstanding, but they are nice places to hang out if you are already in the area.
Schools—Unfortunately the schools are a big drawback for parents moving here. The local elementary, Cleveland has some of the worst ratings in the city, with CST scores in the bottom quarter almost across the board. If the elementary school is like that, you know that this will pretty much follow through at all levels.
Overall, I would say that the neighborhood is okay, though not fantastic. A good spot for living affordably that offers a few okay entertainments, but whose main draw is location. It is close enough to the city that you could be virtually anywhere in the city in about 30 minutes, but also far enough where you could commute to Palo Alto relatively easy.
It is not however a truly attractive neighborhood that people are dieing to move to.
Pros
- Affordable Rents
- Good Location
- Relatively Safe
Cons
- Monotone Look
- Just Okay Restaurants
- Bad Schools
Recommended for
- Singles
- Retirees
- Students
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Editors Choice
"40 Days Neighborhood"
Okay, so Potrero is a little bit like the Bernal Heights area—it is super popular with young couples looking for a relatively close spot to the main areas of the city without supposedly having the crime problems that you expect. If you are a fan of the film, 40 Days and 40 Nights with Josh Hartnett, then this is the hill where the main characters lived (though the other spots were mostly in North Beach and the interiors were shot in Canada—don’t try finding the Laundromat with the hidden Tide—its somewhere in Montreal apparently).
So does Potrero stack to the semi-hype it built up a few years ago?
Rents—Okay, let’s start with rent prices. As far as I can tell from my sampling of rents today, we got the average around $1250/room with a fair number of studios and one bedrooms in the sampling only about 10% with 3 bedrooms.
Crime—Given that the Mission is to the west and Bayview to the south, crime might be a worry and it is especially on the southern low lying end. You’ve got about two thirds the number of crimes reported here as in the Mission. Given that there are only 10,000 residents here, that actually seems to make it worse than the Mission for crime.
A closer look though reveals that the main problem is, as you sadly might expect, on the southern end of the neighborhood bordering Bay View where you have a series of projects. This year, for example, there have been 3 murders in that vicinity. Given that there have only been 32 murders so far this year in the entire city, that means 10% of the murders have occurred in this area.
If you stay on the northern heights you are relatively safe—except for the expected burglaries and break-ins.
So given the crime woes on the south, what does Potrero have to offer?
A Neighborhood Feel—North of the recreation center there is definitely a small neighborhood feel to the tightly packed streets with little corner markets. Like in many areas of the city, the houses cozily push up against one another—but here the combination of the freeway forming a sharp border on the west and the hill creates an even greater feeling of community—sort of like you might get if everyone were living one high rise building.
Restaurants—You can actually find about a dozen or so pretty good restaurants in Potrero. My recommendations would be Pera, a Turkish place (the lamb shish kabob is my favorite); Goat Hill Pizza; and Aperto, an Italian place—all of them around the culinary epicenter of Potrero—Connecticut and 18th.
Bars—As far as the bar scene goes, you will really have to go outside of the neighborhood to find any really great options—but that is no big deal with Dogpatch to the east, SoMa to the north and the Mission to the west. There is of course a dive called Thee Parkside and Bottom of the Hill, both of which feature live music.
Overall?
A good little neighborhood with some quiet nooks that make for a great place to live close enough to the action to jump right in when you feel like it, but not so close that you can never have a rest from it.
So does Potrero stack to the semi-hype it built up a few years ago?
Rents—Okay, let’s start with rent prices. As far as I can tell from my sampling of rents today, we got the average around $1250/room with a fair number of studios and one bedrooms in the sampling only about 10% with 3 bedrooms.
Crime—Given that the Mission is to the west and Bayview to the south, crime might be a worry and it is especially on the southern low lying end. You’ve got about two thirds the number of crimes reported here as in the Mission. Given that there are only 10,000 residents here, that actually seems to make it worse than the Mission for crime.
A closer look though reveals that the main problem is, as you sadly might expect, on the southern end of the neighborhood bordering Bay View where you have a series of projects. This year, for example, there have been 3 murders in that vicinity. Given that there have only been 32 murders so far this year in the entire city, that means 10% of the murders have occurred in this area.
If you stay on the northern heights you are relatively safe—except for the expected burglaries and break-ins.
So given the crime woes on the south, what does Potrero have to offer?
A Neighborhood Feel—North of the recreation center there is definitely a small neighborhood feel to the tightly packed streets with little corner markets. Like in many areas of the city, the houses cozily push up against one another—but here the combination of the freeway forming a sharp border on the west and the hill creates an even greater feeling of community—sort of like you might get if everyone were living one high rise building.
Restaurants—You can actually find about a dozen or so pretty good restaurants in Potrero. My recommendations would be Pera, a Turkish place (the lamb shish kabob is my favorite); Goat Hill Pizza; and Aperto, an Italian place—all of them around the culinary epicenter of Potrero—Connecticut and 18th.
Bars—As far as the bar scene goes, you will really have to go outside of the neighborhood to find any really great options—but that is no big deal with Dogpatch to the east, SoMa to the north and the Mission to the west. There is of course a dive called Thee Parkside and Bottom of the Hill, both of which feature live music.
Overall?
A good little neighborhood with some quiet nooks that make for a great place to live close enough to the action to jump right in when you feel like it, but not so close that you can never have a rest from it.
Pros
- Quiet Niches
- Good Restaurants
- family-oriented
Cons
- Crime on South
- A Bit Cramped
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
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Aug 30, 2011
- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
Editors Choice
"A Mission for After College"
So the Mission is known basically for two things—as a hipster haven and a high crime area. Both of these explain and are explained by the relatively moderate rents. Hipsters flock here because it is as close to action you can get while paying only about $1K/mo. in rent. Crime explains why the rents remain so low.
There are a lot of run down and boarded up businesses in areas of the Mission that make it look like your typical victim of urban blight. What is strange is that in many spots you can go one street over to find a perfectly lovely lane that would seem to be a part of an idyllic SF neighborhood. There are even a couple of beautiful alleyways filled with murals—urban art alleys really. This is the strange mix which is the Mission.
Crime—So how bad is crime? Well, last year there were 50 murders in all of SF. In the Mission District, there were 6 murders in 2010. So 12% of all murders that occurred in SF happened in the Mission. (Though we are now at the end of August and so far there have only been 2 murders.) If you look at it relative to population, we find that the 45,000 that live in the Mission make up about 5.5% of the population of SF’s ~815K. So your chances of being murdered in the Mission are about twice as high as in the rest of SF. You are also more likely to be assaulted and robbed here especially around 16th street and South Van Ness. That seems to be the epicenter of Mission violence.
That said, 6 of 45K is not really that big of a chance—being only about one in 7,500. (There a fair number of neighborhoods in Oakland’s Fruitvale District where you are at more than twice the danger.)
If you are willing to take your chances and live with the occasional car break-ins, burglaries and possibility of violence, you will find the Mission also has a lot to offer including:
Bookstores--The Mission is known for its several cool bookstores, including Borderlands, Dog Eared Books, and Modern Times. (Also a handful of news stands.)
Bars and Lounges--This is hipster town so, of course, lounges and dives abound, including the Morac Restaurant and Lounge (a Moroccan themed joint—very exotic), Nihon (a Japanese themed whiskey bar), and Casanova, Delirium and Elbo Room. Those are just a few—really there are tons of them.
Restaurants--The world has congregated here. Not only do you get the taco joints you would expect in a place called the Mission, but you also have Italian places like Delfina, sushi joints like Minako, Turkish restaurants like Tuba, Indian eateries like Aslam’s Rosoi, Peruvian bbq’s like Limon, and even Ethiopian places like Café Ethiopia and a handful of Basque tapas bars like Picaro.
Clothing Stores—Lot’s of these along Valencia. Buying clothes isn’t my thing, but if it is yours just take a stroll down there.
With Dolores Park to the west at the border with the Castro, great revival cinemas, the Downtown area to the north and the start-ups in the SoMa, Potrero to east and relatively quiet Bernal to the south, the Mission is great, high energy spot perfect for those tech mavens and artsy types. It’s a wonderful place to spend a year or two after college living it up and finding your place.
I also want to give a shout out to Dave Eggers’ 826 Valencia Street, a volunteer project to help kids develop their writing and thinking skills so they can go to college and make a better life for themselves. Eggers, who you may know from his books (especially A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius), is one of the truly good hearted people in the city and his organization definitely could use all the support it can get.
There are a lot of run down and boarded up businesses in areas of the Mission that make it look like your typical victim of urban blight. What is strange is that in many spots you can go one street over to find a perfectly lovely lane that would seem to be a part of an idyllic SF neighborhood. There are even a couple of beautiful alleyways filled with murals—urban art alleys really. This is the strange mix which is the Mission.
Crime—So how bad is crime? Well, last year there were 50 murders in all of SF. In the Mission District, there were 6 murders in 2010. So 12% of all murders that occurred in SF happened in the Mission. (Though we are now at the end of August and so far there have only been 2 murders.) If you look at it relative to population, we find that the 45,000 that live in the Mission make up about 5.5% of the population of SF’s ~815K. So your chances of being murdered in the Mission are about twice as high as in the rest of SF. You are also more likely to be assaulted and robbed here especially around 16th street and South Van Ness. That seems to be the epicenter of Mission violence.
That said, 6 of 45K is not really that big of a chance—being only about one in 7,500. (There a fair number of neighborhoods in Oakland’s Fruitvale District where you are at more than twice the danger.)
If you are willing to take your chances and live with the occasional car break-ins, burglaries and possibility of violence, you will find the Mission also has a lot to offer including:
Bookstores--The Mission is known for its several cool bookstores, including Borderlands, Dog Eared Books, and Modern Times. (Also a handful of news stands.)
Bars and Lounges--This is hipster town so, of course, lounges and dives abound, including the Morac Restaurant and Lounge (a Moroccan themed joint—very exotic), Nihon (a Japanese themed whiskey bar), and Casanova, Delirium and Elbo Room. Those are just a few—really there are tons of them.
Restaurants--The world has congregated here. Not only do you get the taco joints you would expect in a place called the Mission, but you also have Italian places like Delfina, sushi joints like Minako, Turkish restaurants like Tuba, Indian eateries like Aslam’s Rosoi, Peruvian bbq’s like Limon, and even Ethiopian places like Café Ethiopia and a handful of Basque tapas bars like Picaro.
Clothing Stores—Lot’s of these along Valencia. Buying clothes isn’t my thing, but if it is yours just take a stroll down there.
With Dolores Park to the west at the border with the Castro, great revival cinemas, the Downtown area to the north and the start-ups in the SoMa, Potrero to east and relatively quiet Bernal to the south, the Mission is great, high energy spot perfect for those tech mavens and artsy types. It’s a wonderful place to spend a year or two after college living it up and finding your place.
I also want to give a shout out to Dave Eggers’ 826 Valencia Street, a volunteer project to help kids develop their writing and thinking skills so they can go to college and make a better life for themselves. Eggers, who you may know from his books (especially A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius), is one of the truly good hearted people in the city and his organization definitely could use all the support it can get.
Pros
- Great Bookstores
- Great restaurants
- Community of young people
- Good nightlife
- Relatively affordable
Cons
- Sketchy at night
- Some dangerous blocks
- A little dirty
- Noisy
Recommended for
- Singles
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
- Trendy & Stylish
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Aug 29, 2011
- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"Small Town Feel, but Not Kansas"
Bernal Heights used to be where those married and soon to be married types went to live when they wanted to stay close to the city but couldn’t afford the high prices of Sea Cliff or Pacific Heights. This hill on the south of city offers not only a pretty good view, but somewhat of a quieter feeling—as if you have moved to a small town in the middle of it all. But the area has changed a bit. Let me explain:
Rent Prices: It just is not so cheap to live here anymore. The word got out that this was a great little area and despite the real estate crash, rents and prices kept on climbing here. If you look at the price for rentals today, for example, what you find is one bedrooms for about $2K. Now there are exceptions like an occasional room for rent at $600 but mostly prices are about the same as Pacific Heights. One of the benefits of the area, however, is that there are some larger homes with multiple bedrooms—something which is a rarity in SF. So you can find a 3 bedroom for example going for about $4K.
Overall, however, this is no longer the steal it used to be just a couple of years ago even.
Crime--The very next thing, of course, you have to wonder about is crime. Given that it borders two of the highest crime areas in SF (the Mission to the north and the Bay View/Hunter’s Point area to the south) you might be concerned that you are going to get some spill over in this area.
Well it turns out you really don’t have much to be worried about. There are virtually no shootings here. Now there are the usual burglaries that you should expect in virtually all parts of the city, but most of this action is, as you might expect, is at the borders of the neighborhood. (Evidently the thieves didn’t see the “Entering Bernal Heights” signs.) If you look at it in relative terms, what you find is that Bernal Heights registers one third the crime danger of its more dangerous neighbors—which means its pretty average for SF. Where you mostly should worry about is around Chavez Street on the border with the Mission—which has the most urban (least Bernal) feel. Up on the hill where it is fairly residential, it feels relatively safe.
Restaurants: If there is a business that is booming in Bernal beyond collecting high rents, it is restaurants. In the last five years or so, a ton of restaurants have cropped up on the main drag of Bernal Heights, Cortland Street. Here are my top five, just to whet your appetite: Piqueo’s, a great little Peruvian Place; Little Nepal; Vega Pizza, which is an all around great Italian place, not just for pizza; Miko Sushi; and the Blue Elephant, a Thai place. All delicious. All worth the schlep south.
Bars: Now Bernal, being a supposed family neighborhood is not known for its bars, but that is an image that should soon change, given the number of places that have taken up residence here in the past half decade. There are now at least a half dozen bars on Cortland: 2 gay bars: Wild Side West and Stray Bar; 2 dives: Lucky Horseshoe and Skip’s; and 2 wine bars: VinoRosso and Liberty Wine. Now this is not the cornucopia of spirits you can find in other neighborhoods, but it is definitely not Kansas either.
In a Nut Shell?
In a nut shell, if you can afford it and want a neighborhood just a touch out of the main action but still with plenty to spend your sizeable salary on—you have found home. If you don’t have a sizeable disposable income, you probably need to keep heading south and west.
Rent Prices: It just is not so cheap to live here anymore. The word got out that this was a great little area and despite the real estate crash, rents and prices kept on climbing here. If you look at the price for rentals today, for example, what you find is one bedrooms for about $2K. Now there are exceptions like an occasional room for rent at $600 but mostly prices are about the same as Pacific Heights. One of the benefits of the area, however, is that there are some larger homes with multiple bedrooms—something which is a rarity in SF. So you can find a 3 bedroom for example going for about $4K.
Overall, however, this is no longer the steal it used to be just a couple of years ago even.
Crime--The very next thing, of course, you have to wonder about is crime. Given that it borders two of the highest crime areas in SF (the Mission to the north and the Bay View/Hunter’s Point area to the south) you might be concerned that you are going to get some spill over in this area.
Well it turns out you really don’t have much to be worried about. There are virtually no shootings here. Now there are the usual burglaries that you should expect in virtually all parts of the city, but most of this action is, as you might expect, is at the borders of the neighborhood. (Evidently the thieves didn’t see the “Entering Bernal Heights” signs.) If you look at it in relative terms, what you find is that Bernal Heights registers one third the crime danger of its more dangerous neighbors—which means its pretty average for SF. Where you mostly should worry about is around Chavez Street on the border with the Mission—which has the most urban (least Bernal) feel. Up on the hill where it is fairly residential, it feels relatively safe.
Restaurants: If there is a business that is booming in Bernal beyond collecting high rents, it is restaurants. In the last five years or so, a ton of restaurants have cropped up on the main drag of Bernal Heights, Cortland Street. Here are my top five, just to whet your appetite: Piqueo’s, a great little Peruvian Place; Little Nepal; Vega Pizza, which is an all around great Italian place, not just for pizza; Miko Sushi; and the Blue Elephant, a Thai place. All delicious. All worth the schlep south.
Bars: Now Bernal, being a supposed family neighborhood is not known for its bars, but that is an image that should soon change, given the number of places that have taken up residence here in the past half decade. There are now at least a half dozen bars on Cortland: 2 gay bars: Wild Side West and Stray Bar; 2 dives: Lucky Horseshoe and Skip’s; and 2 wine bars: VinoRosso and Liberty Wine. Now this is not the cornucopia of spirits you can find in other neighborhoods, but it is definitely not Kansas either.
In a Nut Shell?
In a nut shell, if you can afford it and want a neighborhood just a touch out of the main action but still with plenty to spend your sizeable salary on—you have found home. If you don’t have a sizeable disposable income, you probably need to keep heading south and west.
Pros
- Great Restaurants
- A Handful of Good Bars
- Community Feel
- Cute houses
Cons
- No Longer Affordable
- A Bit of Crime Worry On Borders
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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Aug 24, 2011
- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"For Work and Play"
Okay, for the most part, this is not really a place where anyone would want to live. I actually work fairly close to this area and so I find myself down here every so often—occasionally after work and sometimes during lunch breaks.
This may seem like a strange place to go for lunch, at first. It really looks just like an industrial area. In fact when Hunters Point was a big naval base this was where a lot of the industries that supplied them were housed. Now with the naval base gone this continues to be an industrial area. You might say that it is now SF’s workshop—at least in terms of some of its physical creations. These are the places that once gave high school grads a step up into the middle class by giving them steady work. Now, with automation there are a lot fewer of those here though there is still a fair amount of industry.
Beyond the car dismantlers, mechanics, and car rental places that you will find here, you will also find a number of businesses here that cater to the needs of SF businesses, such as…well… caterers, and other kinds of suppliers like the Balloon Lady—a company that arranges balloons for galas and events. There are also camera rental places and Graphic Sportswear—a company that designs and produces professional looking company shirts (they did my company’s snazzy apparel—as a matter of fact I’m wearing one of their shirts now).
There are even some companies that produce specialized equipment for biotech here, like the electrophoresis maker, Hoefer. (In case you are wondering it is a machine that helps separate DNA.)
All that said, those are not the usual reasons why I come into this neighborhood. The main thing that draws me here are the restaurants and lounges. Here are a few of my favorites in no particular order:
The Dogpatch Saloon: Great little dive that sometimes has live jazz.
The classy Yield Wine Bar: Nice for intimate little get-togethers.
The classic Serpentine: Great for food and cocktails.
Moshi Moshi: For Sushi
Royal Hawaiian: If you want something a little more unusual.
In other words this is a great place to work and play. Though you can’t really live here. Live in neighboring Portrero Hill instead—at least if you can afford it.
This may seem like a strange place to go for lunch, at first. It really looks just like an industrial area. In fact when Hunters Point was a big naval base this was where a lot of the industries that supplied them were housed. Now with the naval base gone this continues to be an industrial area. You might say that it is now SF’s workshop—at least in terms of some of its physical creations. These are the places that once gave high school grads a step up into the middle class by giving them steady work. Now, with automation there are a lot fewer of those here though there is still a fair amount of industry.
Beyond the car dismantlers, mechanics, and car rental places that you will find here, you will also find a number of businesses here that cater to the needs of SF businesses, such as…well… caterers, and other kinds of suppliers like the Balloon Lady—a company that arranges balloons for galas and events. There are also camera rental places and Graphic Sportswear—a company that designs and produces professional looking company shirts (they did my company’s snazzy apparel—as a matter of fact I’m wearing one of their shirts now).
There are even some companies that produce specialized equipment for biotech here, like the electrophoresis maker, Hoefer. (In case you are wondering it is a machine that helps separate DNA.)
All that said, those are not the usual reasons why I come into this neighborhood. The main thing that draws me here are the restaurants and lounges. Here are a few of my favorites in no particular order:
The Dogpatch Saloon: Great little dive that sometimes has live jazz.
The classy Yield Wine Bar: Nice for intimate little get-togethers.
The classic Serpentine: Great for food and cocktails.
Moshi Moshi: For Sushi
Royal Hawaiian: If you want something a little more unusual.
In other words this is a great place to work and play. Though you can’t really live here. Live in neighboring Portrero Hill instead—at least if you can afford it.
Pros
- Good Work Suppliers
- Cool Restuarants
- Great Wine and Cocktail Lounges
Cons
- Ugly Industrial Area
- Dangerous at Night
- Not for Living
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Trendy & Stylish
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Aug 24, 2011
- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"Not Much to Visit Here"
Visitacion Valley is the neighborhood just to the south of Portola. It is basically a slightly larger lower middleclass neighborhood (as compared to Portola) which also has a bit more of a crime problem than Portola though still nowhere near the problem of Bay View. If you just look at total crimes you see that Bay View averages twice as many and V Valley even though V Valley has close to twice the population of Bay View.
The other thing V Valley has going for it are some fairly nice views of Hunters Point and the water (really it should be called Bay View). It’s really not too bad in that regard.
Rents are also fairly comparable to what you find in Portola. As far as I can tell, rooms go for about $700. So you can find a two-bedroom here for $1400 and a three for about $2100. There are some that go higher than this of course, and the location is not the best in terms of commuting—you are starting to get fairly far away from the city. The Bayshore Freeway gets some pretty bad traffic even when is not rush hour, so you do need to take this into account, as well as the costs of parking or using public transportation.
One of the main problems here, if you are a family looking to move in, are the terrible public schools in the area. The students a V Valley Middle School, for example, rank in the bottom third of test scores as compared to other schools in California. That is pretty much across the boards with virtually no category where they even reach average.
In terms of restaurants and that kind of thing there is not that much here except for some taquarias. There are some grocery stores and drugstores—that kind of thing, but you will have to leave V Valley to find anything else. They do have a gym—Fog City Fitness which a friend of mine said is good though I have never been myself.
Overall, I would say that if they could improve the schools and maybe give this part of the city a bit of a makeover it would become as attractive to people as Bernal has become. The distance however may be just a touch too much for people to endure. No one likes having to commute like they would have to from a neighborhood like this.
The other thing V Valley has going for it are some fairly nice views of Hunters Point and the water (really it should be called Bay View). It’s really not too bad in that regard.
Rents are also fairly comparable to what you find in Portola. As far as I can tell, rooms go for about $700. So you can find a two-bedroom here for $1400 and a three for about $2100. There are some that go higher than this of course, and the location is not the best in terms of commuting—you are starting to get fairly far away from the city. The Bayshore Freeway gets some pretty bad traffic even when is not rush hour, so you do need to take this into account, as well as the costs of parking or using public transportation.
One of the main problems here, if you are a family looking to move in, are the terrible public schools in the area. The students a V Valley Middle School, for example, rank in the bottom third of test scores as compared to other schools in California. That is pretty much across the boards with virtually no category where they even reach average.
In terms of restaurants and that kind of thing there is not that much here except for some taquarias. There are some grocery stores and drugstores—that kind of thing, but you will have to leave V Valley to find anything else. They do have a gym—Fog City Fitness which a friend of mine said is good though I have never been myself.
Overall, I would say that if they could improve the schools and maybe give this part of the city a bit of a makeover it would become as attractive to people as Bernal has become. The distance however may be just a touch too much for people to endure. No one likes having to commute like they would have to from a neighborhood like this.
Pros
- Nice Views
- Low Rents
- Potential for Improvement
Cons
- Terrible Schools
- Bad Commute
- No Nightlife
Recommended for
- Retirees
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Aug 24, 2011
- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"A Bit Blah"
Portola looks like a lot of the neighborhoods to the south and west of SF. (I realize it is not very far west—I saying both south and west.) In other words, there are lots of smallish homes packed up against each other. In fact, despite being fairly far from the center of SF, the population density here matches about the average for the city as a whole. That means lots of people packed fairly close together.
This is a middle class neighborhood—roughly. Or to put it differently, the household incomes here are about average for SF—about $70K per year. To those who don’t live in SF this may sound like upper middle class, but you have to take in the cost of living in the Bay Area, which continues to be ridiculously high despite the Recession.
The census stats indicate that about half the population is Asian, and a quarter Hispanic. From the presence of a Ukrainian Catholic Church in the neighborhood, I assume that makes up much of the majority Asian population and that the other races are fairly equally distributed.
This might sound like a fairly nice middle class neighborhood in which to raise a family—and maybe it is, I don’t know for sure—but one of the drawbacks here are the schools. The local middle school, MLK, does pretty badly when it comes to State scores, with its students scoring below the national and state averages across the board (though usually not falling below the bottom third). The local high school to the east is even worse. So this might not be the best place to go in terms of educational opportunities. (There is a prep school just to the west, Cornerstone Academy—though I can’t vouch for their quality.)
The big worry, of course, when you are adjacent to high crime areas like Bay View and Silver Terrace is crime. Compared to Bay View which has roughly the same population, Portola has only about one fifth the number of crimes as its more infamous neighbor. Unfortunately, much of this crime is of the assault and burglary variety. So this is a bit of a concern.
Like in most places in the City you have to keep your wits about you. Overall, however, you are much safer than if you lived one mile to the east on the other side of the Bayshore Freeway.
The rents here are about as good as they get in SF, with a three bedroom going for between $2K and $3K and with several choices of this variety. Basically, I would say that anywhere you can rent houses with rooms going for under $1000/room in the Bay Area is pretty good.
Now the commute is not very nice here. I would not want to try to go into the City on the Bay Shore, but public transportation—Muni—is abundant and could definitely be a good option. Candlestick is also nearby, so as long as the 49ers continue to play there you could check them out.
There are some restaurants here. They are not the great SF restaurants that people come into the City for, but if you live in Portola they might be worth checking out. They are all mostly on San Bruno Blvd (the main drag in Portola) right next to the freeway—and they are predominantly Chinese and Vietnamese restaurants. So you would not have to go to far for some take out.
There are a couple of run of the mill bars here, which would be okay if you are hanging out with buddies and didn’t feel like driving anywhere, but which I would not call a real draw in themselves. In other words, no one is driving in to some to these places.
Put simply—this is the kind of neighborhood that might work if you are looking to save on rent but still be on this side of the Bay Bridge.
This is a middle class neighborhood—roughly. Or to put it differently, the household incomes here are about average for SF—about $70K per year. To those who don’t live in SF this may sound like upper middle class, but you have to take in the cost of living in the Bay Area, which continues to be ridiculously high despite the Recession.
The census stats indicate that about half the population is Asian, and a quarter Hispanic. From the presence of a Ukrainian Catholic Church in the neighborhood, I assume that makes up much of the majority Asian population and that the other races are fairly equally distributed.
This might sound like a fairly nice middle class neighborhood in which to raise a family—and maybe it is, I don’t know for sure—but one of the drawbacks here are the schools. The local middle school, MLK, does pretty badly when it comes to State scores, with its students scoring below the national and state averages across the board (though usually not falling below the bottom third). The local high school to the east is even worse. So this might not be the best place to go in terms of educational opportunities. (There is a prep school just to the west, Cornerstone Academy—though I can’t vouch for their quality.)
The big worry, of course, when you are adjacent to high crime areas like Bay View and Silver Terrace is crime. Compared to Bay View which has roughly the same population, Portola has only about one fifth the number of crimes as its more infamous neighbor. Unfortunately, much of this crime is of the assault and burglary variety. So this is a bit of a concern.
Like in most places in the City you have to keep your wits about you. Overall, however, you are much safer than if you lived one mile to the east on the other side of the Bayshore Freeway.
The rents here are about as good as they get in SF, with a three bedroom going for between $2K and $3K and with several choices of this variety. Basically, I would say that anywhere you can rent houses with rooms going for under $1000/room in the Bay Area is pretty good.
Now the commute is not very nice here. I would not want to try to go into the City on the Bay Shore, but public transportation—Muni—is abundant and could definitely be a good option. Candlestick is also nearby, so as long as the 49ers continue to play there you could check them out.
There are some restaurants here. They are not the great SF restaurants that people come into the City for, but if you live in Portola they might be worth checking out. They are all mostly on San Bruno Blvd (the main drag in Portola) right next to the freeway—and they are predominantly Chinese and Vietnamese restaurants. So you would not have to go to far for some take out.
There are a couple of run of the mill bars here, which would be okay if you are hanging out with buddies and didn’t feel like driving anywhere, but which I would not call a real draw in themselves. In other words, no one is driving in to some to these places.
Put simply—this is the kind of neighborhood that might work if you are looking to save on rent but still be on this side of the Bay Bridge.
Pros
- Affordable Houses
- Okay Restuarants
- Relatively Safe
Cons
- Terrible Schools
- Close to Crime
- A Bit Run Down Looking
Recommended for
- Singles
- Retirees
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- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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- Pest Free
- Public Transport
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"Not Great Right Now"
This is where 280 and 101 meet and is definitely a metal bars and gates kind of a neighborhood—as you would expect given that is right next to Bay View. The small lots of the homes here are actually rather quaint and if it were not for crime worries this might actually become a fairly attractive neighborhood. However, it is currently an area of neglect with its steep cracked streets and the general feeling of decline through the neighborhood.
The schools in the area also look to be pretty bad. Thurgood Marshall, the local high school, has dismally low standardized test scores—mostly in the bottom quarter.
One of the things this area definitely does have going for it is a strong restaurant seen, from nearby Auntie Aprils to an excellent southern style soul food place called Queen Louisiana’s.
There are also a surprising number of fitness joints in and around Silver Terrace, including martial arts and gyms.
There are some shopping options in the area but they are not particularly fantastic—it’s mostly florists and hardware type stores.
Overall a bit of a mixed bag.
The schools in the area also look to be pretty bad. Thurgood Marshall, the local high school, has dismally low standardized test scores—mostly in the bottom quarter.
One of the things this area definitely does have going for it is a strong restaurant seen, from nearby Auntie Aprils to an excellent southern style soul food place called Queen Louisiana’s.
There are also a surprising number of fitness joints in and around Silver Terrace, including martial arts and gyms.
There are some shopping options in the area but they are not particularly fantastic—it’s mostly florists and hardware type stores.
Overall a bit of a mixed bag.
Pros
- Okay Rents
- Good Eateries
- Nice Martial Arts Studios
Cons
- Crime Worries
- Terrible Schools
- A Bit Run Down Looking
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Aug 23, 2011
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- Pest Free
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"A Questionable Neighborhood"
Hunters Point has long been known as a pretty bad area and crime statistics continue to bear this out. In fact if you write “Hunters Point” in Google, the very first suggestion they give you for completing your phrase is “hunters point shooting.” This is because along with Bayview, the Hunters Point neighborhood is the most dangerous in the city.
Although crime seems to have somewhat declined in the last few years it still remains one of the most dangerous areas in the City. Just as bad is the fact that when Hunters Point was created, it was built over a land fill that buried over industrial waste. Many believe that this accounts for the high rate of infant mortality that has been reported from this area of the city.
See this report the Berkeley School of Journalism from 2006: http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/reports/bayview/index.html
There are continued efforts to clean up and revive this area of the city, but I’m not sure this is ready to go yet.
There are however some signs of development in the area and businesses have started to move in, so perhaps some of the efforts in the area are starting to pay off. Fears, lately however, are that that area is starting to decline again as the Recession takes its toll and hits vulnerable communities harder than others.
Truthfully, I really don’t know which way this neighborhood is going.
Although crime seems to have somewhat declined in the last few years it still remains one of the most dangerous areas in the City. Just as bad is the fact that when Hunters Point was created, it was built over a land fill that buried over industrial waste. Many believe that this accounts for the high rate of infant mortality that has been reported from this area of the city.
See this report the Berkeley School of Journalism from 2006: http://journalism.berkeley.edu/ngno/reports/bayview/index.html
There are continued efforts to clean up and revive this area of the city, but I’m not sure this is ready to go yet.
There are however some signs of development in the area and businesses have started to move in, so perhaps some of the efforts in the area are starting to pay off. Fears, lately however, are that that area is starting to decline again as the Recession takes its toll and hits vulnerable communities harder than others.
Truthfully, I really don’t know which way this neighborhood is going.
Pros
- By the Bay
- Businesses Moving In
Cons
- Crime
- Pollution Worries
- Uncertain Future
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- Parking
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- Pest Free
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"Too Many Flying Bullets for Me"
If you have lived in the Bay Area since 2000, then you have no doubt heard about the proposed plans to revitalize this area of the city. This used to be a naval shipyards but when they got closed down, jobs left and, well, this neighborhood pretty much fell into the dumps. Abandoned buildings, high unemployment, drugs and crime. Since 2000 there has been one plan after another to try to bring this area back. Every two or three years or so there seems to be a big push to try to bring things back.
But then, nothing happens and except for the latest news of shootings or drug busts, Bay View falls off the horizon. I was watching the 49ers game this weekend and got me thinking about Candlestick and the neighborhoods right around there. People rarely move this far south, but I wondered if there are maybe some okay neighborhoods where you can live for relatively cheap.
So I took a look around and noticed that the prices are pretty varied in this neighborhood. Living so close to Candlestick Park would be kind of cool. There are even individual rooms for as low as $450.
There are also a lot of pretty good restaurants in this area—maybe because of the nearby stadium. If you like Soul Food you should try Auntie April’s. And you can find some really good, semi-authentic Mexican food here too.
There are lots of signs however that this is not a very good neighborhood however. Bret Hart Elementary for example, which is literally within view of the Candlestick parking lot, is ranked at the very bottom in terms of achievement scores. According to standardized test scores, students rank in the bottom quarter in almost all subject across grades. The highest scores are only barely above average in one or two disciplines. (Pretty dismal.)
Crime is still definitely a problem. According to a recent article, this summer has been especially violent with this neighborhood leading the way with 41 shootings as of midyear. (Though murders overall in SF are pretty much the same as they were last year—unlike Oakland across the Bay where they were up past 70 murders at midyear, 20 more than last year.) And assaults and burgularies are also way above average.
All this points to the fact that this is simply too dangerous a neighborhood—which explains the low rents, I suppose. Maybe if I were single—but I definitely would not want to take this kind of gamble with my kid.
But then, nothing happens and except for the latest news of shootings or drug busts, Bay View falls off the horizon. I was watching the 49ers game this weekend and got me thinking about Candlestick and the neighborhoods right around there. People rarely move this far south, but I wondered if there are maybe some okay neighborhoods where you can live for relatively cheap.
So I took a look around and noticed that the prices are pretty varied in this neighborhood. Living so close to Candlestick Park would be kind of cool. There are even individual rooms for as low as $450.
There are also a lot of pretty good restaurants in this area—maybe because of the nearby stadium. If you like Soul Food you should try Auntie April’s. And you can find some really good, semi-authentic Mexican food here too.
There are lots of signs however that this is not a very good neighborhood however. Bret Hart Elementary for example, which is literally within view of the Candlestick parking lot, is ranked at the very bottom in terms of achievement scores. According to standardized test scores, students rank in the bottom quarter in almost all subject across grades. The highest scores are only barely above average in one or two disciplines. (Pretty dismal.)
Crime is still definitely a problem. According to a recent article, this summer has been especially violent with this neighborhood leading the way with 41 shootings as of midyear. (Though murders overall in SF are pretty much the same as they were last year—unlike Oakland across the Bay where they were up past 70 murders at midyear, 20 more than last year.) And assaults and burgularies are also way above average.
All this points to the fact that this is simply too dangerous a neighborhood—which explains the low rents, I suppose. Maybe if I were single—but I definitely would not want to take this kind of gamble with my kid.
Pros
- Close to Candlestick
- Affordable Rents
- Good Restaurants
Cons
- Crime
- A Bit Run Down
- Bad Commutes
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Aug 16, 2011
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- Clean & Green
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- Eating Out
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- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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- Pest Free
- Public Transport
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"For You and Your Merry Men"
Sherwood Forest is a tiny hillside neighborhood tucked away just to the east of Saint Francis Wood. The whole neighborhood is terraced so that the homes all have great views of the Sunset District to the ocean. These are tight little lanes with garages right on the streets—lots of Prairie style homes and squarish modernist type condos. It really is very nice in a cramped SF sort of a way.
And yes, in case you are wondering, there is a Robinhood Drive.
Given its very expensive neighbors, rents and home prices in the area are relatively moderate. A 3-bedroom house in the neighborhood will run you about $3000/month which given the view and some of the outrageous prices you can find in some other parts of the city, this is a steal ($1000 per room for such a great area is pretty good).
The location of the area is also great because you are separated from the madness of the city by Mt. Davidson Park (with its famous Dirty Harry cross), but you are still close enough where you can get down to the action in no time at all. You not only have Mt. Davidson Park, but Golden Gate Park isn’t far to the north. Ocean Beach and the zoo are similarly close to the west, so all in all this is perfectly situated.
So this really is a great little hideaway neighborhood to live with your merry men. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
And yes, in case you are wondering, there is a Robinhood Drive.
Given its very expensive neighbors, rents and home prices in the area are relatively moderate. A 3-bedroom house in the neighborhood will run you about $3000/month which given the view and some of the outrageous prices you can find in some other parts of the city, this is a steal ($1000 per room for such a great area is pretty good).
The location of the area is also great because you are separated from the madness of the city by Mt. Davidson Park (with its famous Dirty Harry cross), but you are still close enough where you can get down to the action in no time at all. You not only have Mt. Davidson Park, but Golden Gate Park isn’t far to the north. Ocean Beach and the zoo are similarly close to the west, so all in all this is perfectly situated.
So this really is a great little hideaway neighborhood to live with your merry men. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Pros
- Great Location
- Great Views
- Not Overly Expensive
Cons
- Tight Roads
- Hillside Problems
- A Little Cool and Foggy
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Gay & Lesbian
- Country Lovers
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"A Bit Ho-Hum"
Ingleside Terrace is the neighborhood just to the east of the Stonestown Galleria, the mall that SFSU students are all familiar with. Although this neighborhood is very close to the campus, not that many students live here because not only are there few rental homes but the ones that there are, are fairly expensive. Right now, for example, the only home for rent that I can find is $3200 for a 2 bedroom.
The exception is down on Holloway where there are a number of more affordable places (around $800/room).
The homes here are a strange mix of architectural styles. The central part of the neighborhood is shaped like a coliseum racetrack with a street that circles around the main neighborhood. These homes are not quite as well kept as in some of the neighborhoods to the north, but you do have some very cool homes here in the Mission style. You will find some Tudors and some gambrel roofed deals as well.
There are three turnabout cul-de-sacs in the neighborhood centered around small green spaces—not really big enough to function as parks or attractive enough to really add to the attractiveness of the neighborhood. They mostly just seem a little out of place to me.
There is also one home which has a second story front door, but no stairs leading up to it. (I assume it fell and was demolished?) All in all, a bit of an odd-ball of neighborhood in spots.
This is not really much of a neighborhood for singles nor does it have much nightlife. There is the mall and some restaurants and both City College and SFSU are nearby, but this neighborhood seems relatively unfazed by this, remaining a fairly ho-hum middle class residential neighborhood.
The exception is down on Holloway where there are a number of more affordable places (around $800/room).
The homes here are a strange mix of architectural styles. The central part of the neighborhood is shaped like a coliseum racetrack with a street that circles around the main neighborhood. These homes are not quite as well kept as in some of the neighborhoods to the north, but you do have some very cool homes here in the Mission style. You will find some Tudors and some gambrel roofed deals as well.
There are three turnabout cul-de-sacs in the neighborhood centered around small green spaces—not really big enough to function as parks or attractive enough to really add to the attractiveness of the neighborhood. They mostly just seem a little out of place to me.
There is also one home which has a second story front door, but no stairs leading up to it. (I assume it fell and was demolished?) All in all, a bit of an odd-ball of neighborhood in spots.
This is not really much of a neighborhood for singles nor does it have much nightlife. There is the mall and some restaurants and both City College and SFSU are nearby, but this neighborhood seems relatively unfazed by this, remaining a fairly ho-hum middle class residential neighborhood.
Pros
- Close to the City College and SFSU
- Away from the City Madness
- Some Nice Homes
Cons
- A Bit of a Mixed Bag in terms of Homes
- Overpriced Rents
- Unattractive Cul-de-Sacs
Recommended for
- Retirees
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- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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- Pest Free
- Public Transport
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"Nice But a Little Boring"
Not to be confused with Mount Davidson Park just a little ways to the north (which Dirty Harry fans will no doubt remember from the second installation of that classic series), Mount Davidson Manor is, as the name indicates, a high end residential neighborhood. It doesn’t have as much variety as Monterey Heights in terms of architecture but the views are better.
Mount Davidson starts to round the corner to the Twin Peaks area and as it does it starts to take on the look of that area of San Francisco. Lots of well kept homes with nice views of the Daly City and southern areas of the SF peninsula. Although not as stunningly beautiful as Saint Francis Wood or Monterey Heights, Mount Davidson is definitely an aesthetically pleasing neighborhood, that if it did not happen to be located next to such stunningly beautiful gems would stand out for its attractiveness.
Real estate prices have a fairly wide range, stretching from $400K and up with many homes in the $900K ballpark. Typically, the farther east you go in the neighborhood the lower the prices. There are some rentals along the main drag, Ocean Avenue, and because of the proximity of City College they are relatively affordable.
The restaurant selection in this section of the city is not quite what it is in other neighborhoods, but you do get a fair number of Chinese and Vietnamese places along Ocean Avenue. Ocean Avenue is also where you can find a yoga place and a 24-hour fitness, so if you are into working out or staying fit, you can go there. (You could also take athletic classes—like tennis—at nearby City College.)
Overall it is a pretty good place to live, though perhaps a little dull.
Mount Davidson starts to round the corner to the Twin Peaks area and as it does it starts to take on the look of that area of San Francisco. Lots of well kept homes with nice views of the Daly City and southern areas of the SF peninsula. Although not as stunningly beautiful as Saint Francis Wood or Monterey Heights, Mount Davidson is definitely an aesthetically pleasing neighborhood, that if it did not happen to be located next to such stunningly beautiful gems would stand out for its attractiveness.
Real estate prices have a fairly wide range, stretching from $400K and up with many homes in the $900K ballpark. Typically, the farther east you go in the neighborhood the lower the prices. There are some rentals along the main drag, Ocean Avenue, and because of the proximity of City College they are relatively affordable.
The restaurant selection in this section of the city is not quite what it is in other neighborhoods, but you do get a fair number of Chinese and Vietnamese places along Ocean Avenue. Ocean Avenue is also where you can find a yoga place and a 24-hour fitness, so if you are into working out or staying fit, you can go there. (You could also take athletic classes—like tennis—at nearby City College.)
Overall it is a pretty good place to live, though perhaps a little dull.
Pros
- Attractive Neighborhood
- Nice Views
- Some Restaurants
Cons
- Not as Nice as Neighbors
- A Little Boring
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Students
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Aug 15, 2011
- Childcare
- Clean & Green
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- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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- Pest Free
- Public Transport
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"An Encyclopedia of Residential Styles"
If you love unusual hillside residential architecture of the wealthy variety, the little nook of Monterey Heights offers more than its fair share of unique object lessons. Unlike its homogenously classical neighborhood to the north, Saint Francis Wood, Monterey Heights is a crazy mix of architectural styles with boxy modernist style homes with wide flat windows next to high roofed homes with three story tall columns, across the street from squat gambrel roofed Cape Cods with six food tall hedges. Really, if you are an architecture student interested in encyclopedic array of housing styles, Monterey Heights beats hanging around in the dusty architecture section of your college library.
The hillside location also means that some of the homes will have magnificent views of the Sunset District—though the fairly persistent fog will limit how often they get to enjoy them.
This whole section of SF (not just here but all the surrounding neighborhoods—Sherwood Forest, Saint Francis Wood, and Balboa Terrace) are strictly family oriented, ultra wealthy residential neighborhoods with few to no options for renters and real estate prices at the lofty heights where only stockbrokers, venture capitalists, and the titans of Silicon Valley can really afford to ascend.
For me, the variety of architectural styles makes this by far the most compelling of these neighborhoods—who knows, maybe one day, if I hit upon the next big thing.
The hillside location also means that some of the homes will have magnificent views of the Sunset District—though the fairly persistent fog will limit how often they get to enjoy them.
This whole section of SF (not just here but all the surrounding neighborhoods—Sherwood Forest, Saint Francis Wood, and Balboa Terrace) are strictly family oriented, ultra wealthy residential neighborhoods with few to no options for renters and real estate prices at the lofty heights where only stockbrokers, venture capitalists, and the titans of Silicon Valley can really afford to ascend.
For me, the variety of architectural styles makes this by far the most compelling of these neighborhoods—who knows, maybe one day, if I hit upon the next big thing.
Pros
- Amazing Variety of Architecture
- Great Views
- Outstanding Location
Cons
- Very, very expensive
- No Nightlife
- Not Really for Renters
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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Aug 15, 2011
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- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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"The Bel Aire of SF"
This is definitely not a tourist destination. No one comes to SF and says, “Oh, and of course, I visited Saint Francis Wood!” But they should, because it is about as amazing a neighborhood as you will find anywhere. If you are into Corinthian columns, topiary and quaint manor-like homes with red tiled gambrel roofs—you have come to the right place.
This neighborhood is every bit as amazing as Beverly Hills (I would say more so)—but even people living people just living a neighborhood or two away are likely to not even have heard of Saint Francis Wood. Talk about hiding in plain sight.
Just in case there was any doubt about the wealth of this neighborhood, at the heart of it all on San Anselmo Avenue, you find a classical trickling fountain of the kind you might expect at a French or Roman villa, but whose pastel masonry perfectly fits in with the Southwestern love of adobe clay tones. It is at the head of St. Francis Blvd., a turnabout lane with a wide grassy, tree-lined meridian crowned with stone benches on one end. Really quite beautiful!
As far as living here? Well, it is way outside of most people’s means. This area can really give Sea Cliff a run for its money. The location is great as well—close to the city to the east, good for commuting to the south, the zoo and Ocean Beach to the west and Golden Gate Park to the north. You definitely can’t beat that.
For those looking for actually woods—well the only greenery here is that trimmed by human hands. (These residents really dig their topiary.) But if you want to go hiking or hunting this is not the place for it.
Singles will also be disappointed—this is strictly a residential neighborhood.
Overall, I would say if you happen to be wealthy and want to live in French Villa setting but be within biking distance of all the amusements of SF, you have found your home.
This neighborhood is every bit as amazing as Beverly Hills (I would say more so)—but even people living people just living a neighborhood or two away are likely to not even have heard of Saint Francis Wood. Talk about hiding in plain sight.
Just in case there was any doubt about the wealth of this neighborhood, at the heart of it all on San Anselmo Avenue, you find a classical trickling fountain of the kind you might expect at a French or Roman villa, but whose pastel masonry perfectly fits in with the Southwestern love of adobe clay tones. It is at the head of St. Francis Blvd., a turnabout lane with a wide grassy, tree-lined meridian crowned with stone benches on one end. Really quite beautiful!
As far as living here? Well, it is way outside of most people’s means. This area can really give Sea Cliff a run for its money. The location is great as well—close to the city to the east, good for commuting to the south, the zoo and Ocean Beach to the west and Golden Gate Park to the north. You definitely can’t beat that.
For those looking for actually woods—well the only greenery here is that trimmed by human hands. (These residents really dig their topiary.) But if you want to go hiking or hunting this is not the place for it.
Singles will also be disappointed—this is strictly a residential neighborhood.
Overall, I would say if you happen to be wealthy and want to live in French Villa setting but be within biking distance of all the amusements of SF, you have found your home.
Pros
- French Villa Style Neighborhood
- Great Location
Cons
- Very, very expensive
- No Nightlife In Neighborhood
- Not for Renters
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Tourists
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Nice Older Buildings"
Although Lower Pacific Heights is mostly made up of older buildings and high rises, it is surprisingly leafy and pleasant looking. You do not have the feeling of being in a run down urban neighborhood. In fact, the neighborhood seems a lot more like its northern neighbor Pacific Heights. You shouldn’t get the wrong idea, the buildings here are actually quite attractive.
In addition, there are some really attractive buildings here—some giant manor like Victorians (a few of them are open to the public so you can get a sense of what life was like in pre-Earthquake SF) and also some residential buildings that date back to when Hitchcock was making films around here. So it definitely has its attractions.
Included within this area is Japantown. Sometimes its included as its own neighborhood. If you are looking to have some sushi, this is definitely the place for it. There is also a shopping mall right in the middle of Japantown that will make you feel as if you have been transported to the Far East, or at least the Westernized versions of the Far East.
Here are some of the other attractions to Lower Pacific Heights:
Rents—The prices start looking a lot like those in Pacific Heights proper. Although it is possible to find some steals in this area, for the most part as you approach the northern part of the neighborhood you get 4 bedroom Victorian stand alone homes going for between $6K and $20K per month—if paying $120,000 in rent per year sound it extreme, well it is. You can even find studios here going for $4K.
That said, I also noticed some more moderately priced places like rooms going for $1800—if you can call paying nearly $22K on rent for a room moderate. (And there was even a place right by the border with Western Addition that listed a 6 room apartment for $900—I’m not sure what the deal with that is.)
Schools—The good thing about being so close to Pacific Heights is that you can benefit from PH’s private schools. There are a lot of them, you know that they are pretty good—P.H. is the kind of neighborhood that would not accept anything less. Whether you want a Montessori school or a school that is geared for preparing from college right from the beginning, then this is definitely the place to be.
Oh yeah, and you definitely have to take into account all the great places to eat and play on Geary--like the Boom Boom Room and all the other cool bars around there.
Overall, I would say that this is a nice place to live if you can find an affordable apartment and if you are close enough to Pacific Heights proper. I will be keeping this neighborhood on my radar.
In addition, there are some really attractive buildings here—some giant manor like Victorians (a few of them are open to the public so you can get a sense of what life was like in pre-Earthquake SF) and also some residential buildings that date back to when Hitchcock was making films around here. So it definitely has its attractions.
Included within this area is Japantown. Sometimes its included as its own neighborhood. If you are looking to have some sushi, this is definitely the place for it. There is also a shopping mall right in the middle of Japantown that will make you feel as if you have been transported to the Far East, or at least the Westernized versions of the Far East.
Here are some of the other attractions to Lower Pacific Heights:
Rents—The prices start looking a lot like those in Pacific Heights proper. Although it is possible to find some steals in this area, for the most part as you approach the northern part of the neighborhood you get 4 bedroom Victorian stand alone homes going for between $6K and $20K per month—if paying $120,000 in rent per year sound it extreme, well it is. You can even find studios here going for $4K.
That said, I also noticed some more moderately priced places like rooms going for $1800—if you can call paying nearly $22K on rent for a room moderate. (And there was even a place right by the border with Western Addition that listed a 6 room apartment for $900—I’m not sure what the deal with that is.)
Schools—The good thing about being so close to Pacific Heights is that you can benefit from PH’s private schools. There are a lot of them, you know that they are pretty good—P.H. is the kind of neighborhood that would not accept anything less. Whether you want a Montessori school or a school that is geared for preparing from college right from the beginning, then this is definitely the place to be.
Oh yeah, and you definitely have to take into account all the great places to eat and play on Geary--like the Boom Boom Room and all the other cool bars around there.
Overall, I would say that this is a nice place to live if you can find an affordable apartment and if you are close enough to Pacific Heights proper. I will be keeping this neighborhood on my radar.
Pros
- quiet
- great restaurants
- great shopping
Cons
- Some Bad Spots
- Expensive
- Bad Parking
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
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- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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- Pest Free
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Editors Choice
"Yoshi's and a Bit of Danger"
This area is fairly unusual looking for SF—it is just about all apartments and what looks like community housing developments as far as I can tell. There are lots of older buildings here and a fair number of high rises. Despite all these apartments, it is surprising how many trees you find on the streets—really attractive in some spots.
Crime—Whenever you start talking about Western Addition, you have to start with crime as a consideration, given that it skirts the Tenderloin on the east. Crime is definitely much higher than in some of its neighbors—about seven times higher than Alamo Square on the south and twice as high as in Lower Pacific Heights on the north. Of course, the worst areas are near the Tenderloin, especially near the corner of Laguna and Turk where 2/3 of the crimes occur.
This all seems a little strange to me since when you drive through the area, it doesn’t seem particularly run down or dangerous. Though it does have a bit of an urban feel with lots of apartment complexes and high rises.
Rents—I’m not exactly sure why, but I can’t find a lot of apartments for rent in this area. This is strange to me, because the area is literally filled with apartments. (Perhaps, these are public housing units not listed on regular rental sites?) The apartments that I do find on the far western side of the area are fairly expensive. I found some one bedrooms for $1700 in high rises which were fairly typical. (Though I also found a studio apartment in an older building for $800.) Still seems like there should be a lot more than a handful of listings in this neighborhood.
Parks and Recreation: The open parks are nothing to write home about but there are some recreation areas, like the Hutch Community Center that is great for kids (and has good tennis courts). The Buchanan Y is here as well. So in terms of getting a work out or giving the kids some time to let out some of their excess energy, you can definitely find some places if you are willing to pay for them.
Major Landmarks—St. Mary’s Cathedral is on Van Ness. It is not one of those old style churches with flying buttresses and all that—it is a modernist deal with a strangely shaped dome—you either love it or hate it. I do both depending on how I feel that day.
Mount Zion Medical Center—a really great medical facility associated with UCSF bookmarks the church on the western end.
Restaurants and Nightlife—For restaurants and entertainment, we have to lead off with Yoshi’s. Yoshi’s is sort of live music theater that happens to serve Sushi. It is a little pricey (entrees are in the $20-$30 range so expect to spend a good $50+ per person) but definitely worth it for the live music. They focus on Jazz but they also get bands like the Gin Blossoms that play here. So it’s a pretty cool date spot. Bruno’s—part pizza place, part bar—is right across the street from Yoshi’s and much more reasonably priced—but of course, no live music.
Overall, I would say that this is probably a better place to visit than live in because of the crime worries. But if you are young and street smart you might manage alright here.
Crime—Whenever you start talking about Western Addition, you have to start with crime as a consideration, given that it skirts the Tenderloin on the east. Crime is definitely much higher than in some of its neighbors—about seven times higher than Alamo Square on the south and twice as high as in Lower Pacific Heights on the north. Of course, the worst areas are near the Tenderloin, especially near the corner of Laguna and Turk where 2/3 of the crimes occur.
This all seems a little strange to me since when you drive through the area, it doesn’t seem particularly run down or dangerous. Though it does have a bit of an urban feel with lots of apartment complexes and high rises.
Rents—I’m not exactly sure why, but I can’t find a lot of apartments for rent in this area. This is strange to me, because the area is literally filled with apartments. (Perhaps, these are public housing units not listed on regular rental sites?) The apartments that I do find on the far western side of the area are fairly expensive. I found some one bedrooms for $1700 in high rises which were fairly typical. (Though I also found a studio apartment in an older building for $800.) Still seems like there should be a lot more than a handful of listings in this neighborhood.
Parks and Recreation: The open parks are nothing to write home about but there are some recreation areas, like the Hutch Community Center that is great for kids (and has good tennis courts). The Buchanan Y is here as well. So in terms of getting a work out or giving the kids some time to let out some of their excess energy, you can definitely find some places if you are willing to pay for them.
Major Landmarks—St. Mary’s Cathedral is on Van Ness. It is not one of those old style churches with flying buttresses and all that—it is a modernist deal with a strangely shaped dome—you either love it or hate it. I do both depending on how I feel that day.
Mount Zion Medical Center—a really great medical facility associated with UCSF bookmarks the church on the western end.
Restaurants and Nightlife—For restaurants and entertainment, we have to lead off with Yoshi’s. Yoshi’s is sort of live music theater that happens to serve Sushi. It is a little pricey (entrees are in the $20-$30 range so expect to spend a good $50+ per person) but definitely worth it for the live music. They focus on Jazz but they also get bands like the Gin Blossoms that play here. So it’s a pretty cool date spot. Bruno’s—part pizza place, part bar—is right across the street from Yoshi’s and much more reasonably priced—but of course, no live music.
Overall, I would say that this is probably a better place to visit than live in because of the crime worries. But if you are young and street smart you might manage alright here.
Pros
- Yoshi's
- Some Attractive Streets
Cons
- Lots of Apartments
- crime
- homeless population
Recommended for
- Singles
- Hipsters
- Students
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Editors Choice
"For Painting the Town Not Just the Ladies"
Of course, when it comes to Alamo Square, you have to start with the Painted Ladies, that row of stick Victorians that were the pretend house front for the television show, Full House. (They make their appearance in a number of other movies and programs as well, from the Bachelor to Tales from the City.)
Now, I like the Painted Ladies as much as the next guy, but I must say that I have always found Alamo Square to be overrated in terms of its looks. First, although the Painted Ladies are a nice tourist spot, I’m not sure that the rest of Alamo Square is really all that attractive. The park, for example, that the Ladies fronts, is really not that much better than the parks in Pacific Heights. And the streets that surround this touristy area are not particularly attractive to me. The other Victorians in the area are touch on the run down side, and there is a sort of an open air, hilltop feel to Alamo Square that seems more empty to me rather than refreshing.
I recognize of course that “feels” are purely subjective, but I know other people have felt the same way. Okay but this is all fairly superficial.
One of the things that Alamo Square does have going for it, is a feeling of community. Every so often the residents take a page from the Dolores Park and play movies in the park in the summer time. Though given how cold the summers have been the last two years I’m not sure many people want to hang out at a hillside park on top of a hill in the middle of summer.
Bars--One thing that you definitely do have in Alamo Square is a lot of choices in terms of nightspots where you can get a drink. Just about all of these are down on Divisidero. The bars here have a slightly snooty feel to them. You have wine bars like Corkage and Fat Angel (which bills itself as a gastropub—meaning you can grab a bite to eat there as well). My favorite of the bars there is the Madrone Art Bar, whose walls are packed with frames and which has a really cool lounge with cool cushioned chairs and couches. The bartenders are really cool too—I highly recommend it.
Restaurants--There are also a number of restaurants along Divisidero including Bar Crudo (a raw food joint—yuck!). My recommendation would be the Sheba Piano Lounge where you can catch great live Jazz like the local Louisiana style band, Bohemian Kunckleboogie—put simply, a really great date spot. It’s an Ethiopian (“Abyssinian”) Vegetarian place, so the whole experience is really an adventure—perfect for showing off SF’s cosmopolitan delights. If you’re not into Ethiopian food but still want something spicy, try the Saffron Grill—a postage stamp sized Indian place just a little ways north on Divisidero. Delicious and very, very romantic.
Gyms--One thing that Alamo Square does not have are good gyms. If you want to find a good gym where you can take a dip you will have to go up to Pacific Heights—which of course means slightly higher gym membership prices. Of course, you could always go the Buchanan Y—the adult membership is $44/mo while a family membership is $99. Given the facilities that doesn’t sound too bad to me.
Parking—How bad is the parking in Alamo Square? So bad that the residents have set up a Facebook Page trying to get residential permits specific to their neighborhood. In the words of residents, parking is “a nightmare.” Here’s the URL if you want to check that out: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=21194612665
Public Transportation: Public transportation is really pretty good around here with MUNI lines on Fillmore, Divisidero, Hayes and MacAllister. Not to mention that you are so close to most places in the city that you could easily bike or even walk to them. So get with it and get off the carbon—no excuses if you are living here.
Childcare—the Phoebe Hearst Pre-School is just north of the park and you could also try the Montessori up in Japantown.
Rents—A lot of variation—I’ve seen studios for around $500 (though this is not typical) and I’ve seen them for $1800. The
average seems to be somewhere around $1200 to $1500. The farther north and east you go the higher.
Okay, so even though I don’t really find it all that attractive an area, I would definitely have to give it kudos for being a great nightlife destination right by its border with NOPA.
Now, I like the Painted Ladies as much as the next guy, but I must say that I have always found Alamo Square to be overrated in terms of its looks. First, although the Painted Ladies are a nice tourist spot, I’m not sure that the rest of Alamo Square is really all that attractive. The park, for example, that the Ladies fronts, is really not that much better than the parks in Pacific Heights. And the streets that surround this touristy area are not particularly attractive to me. The other Victorians in the area are touch on the run down side, and there is a sort of an open air, hilltop feel to Alamo Square that seems more empty to me rather than refreshing.
I recognize of course that “feels” are purely subjective, but I know other people have felt the same way. Okay but this is all fairly superficial.
One of the things that Alamo Square does have going for it, is a feeling of community. Every so often the residents take a page from the Dolores Park and play movies in the park in the summer time. Though given how cold the summers have been the last two years I’m not sure many people want to hang out at a hillside park on top of a hill in the middle of summer.
Bars--One thing that you definitely do have in Alamo Square is a lot of choices in terms of nightspots where you can get a drink. Just about all of these are down on Divisidero. The bars here have a slightly snooty feel to them. You have wine bars like Corkage and Fat Angel (which bills itself as a gastropub—meaning you can grab a bite to eat there as well). My favorite of the bars there is the Madrone Art Bar, whose walls are packed with frames and which has a really cool lounge with cool cushioned chairs and couches. The bartenders are really cool too—I highly recommend it.
Restaurants--There are also a number of restaurants along Divisidero including Bar Crudo (a raw food joint—yuck!). My recommendation would be the Sheba Piano Lounge where you can catch great live Jazz like the local Louisiana style band, Bohemian Kunckleboogie—put simply, a really great date spot. It’s an Ethiopian (“Abyssinian”) Vegetarian place, so the whole experience is really an adventure—perfect for showing off SF’s cosmopolitan delights. If you’re not into Ethiopian food but still want something spicy, try the Saffron Grill—a postage stamp sized Indian place just a little ways north on Divisidero. Delicious and very, very romantic.
Gyms--One thing that Alamo Square does not have are good gyms. If you want to find a good gym where you can take a dip you will have to go up to Pacific Heights—which of course means slightly higher gym membership prices. Of course, you could always go the Buchanan Y—the adult membership is $44/mo while a family membership is $99. Given the facilities that doesn’t sound too bad to me.
Parking—How bad is the parking in Alamo Square? So bad that the residents have set up a Facebook Page trying to get residential permits specific to their neighborhood. In the words of residents, parking is “a nightmare.” Here’s the URL if you want to check that out: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=21194612665
Public Transportation: Public transportation is really pretty good around here with MUNI lines on Fillmore, Divisidero, Hayes and MacAllister. Not to mention that you are so close to most places in the city that you could easily bike or even walk to them. So get with it and get off the carbon—no excuses if you are living here.
Childcare—the Phoebe Hearst Pre-School is just north of the park and you could also try the Montessori up in Japantown.
Rents—A lot of variation—I’ve seen studios for around $500 (though this is not typical) and I’ve seen them for $1800. The
average seems to be somewhere around $1200 to $1500. The farther north and east you go the higher.
Okay, so even though I don’t really find it all that attractive an area, I would definitely have to give it kudos for being a great nightlife destination right by its border with NOPA.
Pros
- Affordable Rents
- Great Nightlife
- great views
Cons
- Terrible Parking
- No Gyms
- Not That Pretty to Me
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
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- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
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- Schools
Ingleside Heights is right along Freeway 280, just to the north of Daly City. The proximity to Daly City makes this a bars on windows and doors kind of neighborhood, though crime is really only average as far as SF is concerned. The homes here are small and largely in the squarish 20th Century modernist tradition. That mostly means small houses, cramped together.
The neighborhood largely rents out to San Francisco State students and this shows in the relatively low rents (where else in the city can you find a four bedroom for under $3000?). This makes for a compelling mix of young and old in the area.
In terms of shopping, there is a nearby mall in Merced and there are supermarkets and drugstores like Walgreens—basically all of the kinds of conveniences you would want to live in an area like this.
Now, only in San Francisco would this area be considered lower middle class. In fact, if you look at the average household income for the area according to the census, it is $68K which is right about average for SF and good $20K above the US median income. This is not Twin Peaks, but I would certainly not consider it to be too bad. In fact, I think there is a certain homey quality to the area, and the sharp inclines. There is definitely an appeal to the area.
The neighborhood largely rents out to San Francisco State students and this shows in the relatively low rents (where else in the city can you find a four bedroom for under $3000?). This makes for a compelling mix of young and old in the area.
In terms of shopping, there is a nearby mall in Merced and there are supermarkets and drugstores like Walgreens—basically all of the kinds of conveniences you would want to live in an area like this.
Now, only in San Francisco would this area be considered lower middle class. In fact, if you look at the average household income for the area according to the census, it is $68K which is right about average for SF and good $20K above the US median income. This is not Twin Peaks, but I would certainly not consider it to be too bad. In fact, I think there is a certain homey quality to the area, and the sharp inclines. There is definitely an appeal to the area.
Pros
- Affordable Rents
- Close to SF State
- Nice Looking Homes
Cons
- Some Crime Worries
- A Bit Crowded
- Noisy Freeway Traffic
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Students
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"A Quiet Family Neigbhorhood"
Merced Heights is a tiny neighborhood tucked away on the southwest edge of the city. There is not that much to it, it is mostly a bunch of smallish to medium sized homes stretching out along the side of a hill. The main drag is Gartfield Street, but I don’t recall there being any stores or other draws along it. One of the big attractions here are homes that have backyards—somewhat of a rarity in many areas.
There are some real attractions to the location, however. You are far enough from the city, so that you have some peace and quiet. You are right in between both City College and San Francisco State and just minutes from the ocean and the Zoo. Merced Heights is mostly a family neighborhood as far as I can tell. The rents are relatively reasonable in the area, with the average home going for about $1200. You will also find a fair number of rooms for rent since this area is so close to colleges.
But you shouldn’t get the wrong impression—this is an upper middle class neighborhood where the average household makes around $85K.
There are also parks and Jose Ortega Elementary on the southern end of the neighborhood. I don’t know much about Ortega Elementary, except that they have a very nicely designed website—simple but easy to use, exactly what you want. From the photos there it seems like a pretty nice school.
Overall, I guess what I am saying is that this is a nice little family neighborhood.
There are some real attractions to the location, however. You are far enough from the city, so that you have some peace and quiet. You are right in between both City College and San Francisco State and just minutes from the ocean and the Zoo. Merced Heights is mostly a family neighborhood as far as I can tell. The rents are relatively reasonable in the area, with the average home going for about $1200. You will also find a fair number of rooms for rent since this area is so close to colleges.
But you shouldn’t get the wrong impression—this is an upper middle class neighborhood where the average household makes around $85K.
There are also parks and Jose Ortega Elementary on the southern end of the neighborhood. I don’t know much about Ortega Elementary, except that they have a very nicely designed website—simple but easy to use, exactly what you want. From the photos there it seems like a pretty nice school.
Overall, I guess what I am saying is that this is a nice little family neighborhood.
Pros
- Affordable Rents
- Nice View
- Good Family Atmosphere
Cons
- Commute to City
- No Nightlife
- Smallish, Tightly Packed Homes
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Students
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"Beautiful Lakeside Neighborhood"
Lakeside is really an accumulation of neighborhoods: Lakeshore, Parkside, Parkmerced and Lakeside proper. They all surround SFSU and are just to the north of Daly City.
I suppose most cities have a Lakeshore neighborhood and a Lakeshore Drive—the Bay Area has at least two that I know of, one here and one in Oakland. This Lakeshore is right next to Lake Merced, one of the most beautiful and least touristy areas of SF. Those who discover the area often do it when they visit the Zoo, which is on the western end of the Lakeshore Neighborhood. Though this is hardly the boonies, country lovers will love this area because of the surrounding parks, both welcome leafy areas in the middle of SF (though, I must say that I can hardly think of a more leafy urban city of this size in the US). To the northeast is Pine Lake Park, just in case you didn’t get enough natural beauty from Lake Merced.
Beach lovers who love the aesthetics of beaches are only five minutes from the breakers. Though, of course, as everyone who lives in this area knows, 360 days out of the year it is too cold and foggy to really enjoy the beach around here.
This is a family friendly neighborhood as well. Lowell High School is one of the very best public schools in the city, with tests scores in the 90’s virtually across the board—which is head and shoulders above Lincoln to the north in the Sunset District. In addition, the area is mostly made up of medium sized to large homes nestled away on quiet streets with little traffic. There is also a big mall in the center of the area.
Though students will find rents in area like Lakeshore a bit out of their reach, they tend to like the area around the actual campus. Most of those who live around the campus probably live in Park Merced which I believe is the student housing area—if not, it certainly looks like it.
Overall, I really like this area and would love to live here if I could find housing.
I suppose most cities have a Lakeshore neighborhood and a Lakeshore Drive—the Bay Area has at least two that I know of, one here and one in Oakland. This Lakeshore is right next to Lake Merced, one of the most beautiful and least touristy areas of SF. Those who discover the area often do it when they visit the Zoo, which is on the western end of the Lakeshore Neighborhood. Though this is hardly the boonies, country lovers will love this area because of the surrounding parks, both welcome leafy areas in the middle of SF (though, I must say that I can hardly think of a more leafy urban city of this size in the US). To the northeast is Pine Lake Park, just in case you didn’t get enough natural beauty from Lake Merced.
Beach lovers who love the aesthetics of beaches are only five minutes from the breakers. Though, of course, as everyone who lives in this area knows, 360 days out of the year it is too cold and foggy to really enjoy the beach around here.
This is a family friendly neighborhood as well. Lowell High School is one of the very best public schools in the city, with tests scores in the 90’s virtually across the board—which is head and shoulders above Lincoln to the north in the Sunset District. In addition, the area is mostly made up of medium sized to large homes nestled away on quiet streets with little traffic. There is also a big mall in the center of the area.
Though students will find rents in area like Lakeshore a bit out of their reach, they tend to like the area around the actual campus. Most of those who live around the campus probably live in Park Merced which I believe is the student housing area—if not, it certainly looks like it.
Overall, I really like this area and would love to live here if I could find housing.
Pros
- Beautiful Homes
- Great Schools
- Great Lake and Park
Cons
- Expensive
- Cold and Foggy
- No Real Nightlife
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Gay & Lesbian
- Country Lovers
- Beach Lovers
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"For SFSU Students and Faculty"
This is actually the area around the SFSU campus. San Francisco State University like a lot of the state schools is somewhat of a commuter school. Although some students will move close to campus, since most students are from California to begin with at SFSU, you don’t get quite the college town experience that you do at Stanford or Berkeley.
That said, there are still a fair number of students who do want to get the full college experience at SFSU and therefore do search out apartments that allow them to walk to class. This can get kind of tricky in this area however, since many of the nearby neighborhoods have prohibitively high rents for students. In this neighborhood, prices vary quite a bit with individual rooms going for sometimes as little as $600 while a two bedroom house next to campus might go for $2600. This is a lot of variation, so shopping around and being patient helps.
As far as the actual neighborhood goes, 19th Avenue is really busy and so it does create a bit of a noise problem. There is also a fair amount of graffiti and many students have complained to me that they do not feel particularly safe around campus, especially at nighttime. Reported crimes don’t seem to bear this out, so it may have more to do with perception than with reality in this case.
Just off 19th however, the squat, little homes that make up the residential streets are very well-kept and look almost idyllic. It is a stark difference as compared with somewhat fast-paced urban feel of 19th Avenue.
Mercy High, a Catholic prep school, is at the northern end of neighborhood. It gets good reviews, but of course, because it is a private school, it is not required to post its test scores, so it’s hard to say how good it actually is. It definitely has some stiff competition from nearby Lowell High School, which is one of the best public schools in the city.
The Stonestown Galleria (Stonestown is actually an alternate name for Lakeside) is on the eastern end of the neighborhood—it is a big mall of the Fast Times at Ridgemont High variety, so you will certainly be able to go shopping for clothing or whatever you should need here. There are few restaurants there as well including an Olive Garden (now that’s Italian!). You basically have all the conveniences of a suburban area.
As far as nightlife, the campus has a pub and pool hall right on the southern end which is a bit of a hangout for SFSU students—though really, most head into the city to really party. As far as restaurants, beyond the amazing cuisine of the aforementioned Olive Garden (sarcasm alert!), you also have a couple of fairly mediocre sushi places and a handful of other fairly forgettable type establishments—basically the same kind of places you can find in a million other suburban areas throughout the country.
Put simply, this neighborhood is really just about SFSU and little else.
That said, there are still a fair number of students who do want to get the full college experience at SFSU and therefore do search out apartments that allow them to walk to class. This can get kind of tricky in this area however, since many of the nearby neighborhoods have prohibitively high rents for students. In this neighborhood, prices vary quite a bit with individual rooms going for sometimes as little as $600 while a two bedroom house next to campus might go for $2600. This is a lot of variation, so shopping around and being patient helps.
As far as the actual neighborhood goes, 19th Avenue is really busy and so it does create a bit of a noise problem. There is also a fair amount of graffiti and many students have complained to me that they do not feel particularly safe around campus, especially at nighttime. Reported crimes don’t seem to bear this out, so it may have more to do with perception than with reality in this case.
Just off 19th however, the squat, little homes that make up the residential streets are very well-kept and look almost idyllic. It is a stark difference as compared with somewhat fast-paced urban feel of 19th Avenue.
Mercy High, a Catholic prep school, is at the northern end of neighborhood. It gets good reviews, but of course, because it is a private school, it is not required to post its test scores, so it’s hard to say how good it actually is. It definitely has some stiff competition from nearby Lowell High School, which is one of the best public schools in the city.
The Stonestown Galleria (Stonestown is actually an alternate name for Lakeside) is on the eastern end of the neighborhood—it is a big mall of the Fast Times at Ridgemont High variety, so you will certainly be able to go shopping for clothing or whatever you should need here. There are few restaurants there as well including an Olive Garden (now that’s Italian!). You basically have all the conveniences of a suburban area.
As far as nightlife, the campus has a pub and pool hall right on the southern end which is a bit of a hangout for SFSU students—though really, most head into the city to really party. As far as restaurants, beyond the amazing cuisine of the aforementioned Olive Garden (sarcasm alert!), you also have a couple of fairly mediocre sushi places and a handful of other fairly forgettable type establishments—basically the same kind of places you can find in a million other suburban areas throughout the country.
Put simply, this neighborhood is really just about SFSU and little else.
Pros
- Good College
- Beautiful Lake
- Big Mall
Cons
- Crime Fears
- A Touch Boring
- Cold and Foggy
Recommended for
- Gay & Lesbian
- Students
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- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
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- Pest Free
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This is one of those underappreciated areas of SF. It has a fairly unique look and feel to it—feels almost like you are in a different part of the world. Golden Gate Park is on the north side and it is nestled between the hills of Forest Knolls and Golden Gate Heights, this little vale has kind of a hip mix of singles and young families. It is just close enough to the action to keep the young and restless interested but just far enough away to attract those that are starting to settle down.
The most attractive area is by the UCSF Medical Center. It is also close to the sports fields that make up the southeast corner of Golden Gate Park. The historic Kezar Stadium is here. You can find plenty of ethnic restaurants here, including a number of sushi bars like Koo and the New Eritrea, an Ethiopian place.
Rents are all over the place in this neighborhood, with some steals at under a $1000 while other studios go for $3000. Why so much variation? I have no idea but it does reflect the mix of residents here—from doctors to young families. It is actually a really great little spot (it is really barely a neighborhood at all).
In a nutshell, I would love to live here.
The most attractive area is by the UCSF Medical Center. It is also close to the sports fields that make up the southeast corner of Golden Gate Park. The historic Kezar Stadium is here. You can find plenty of ethnic restaurants here, including a number of sushi bars like Koo and the New Eritrea, an Ethiopian place.
Rents are all over the place in this neighborhood, with some steals at under a $1000 while other studios go for $3000. Why so much variation? I have no idea but it does reflect the mix of residents here—from doctors to young families. It is actually a really great little spot (it is really barely a neighborhood at all).
In a nutshell, I would love to live here.
Pros
- Close to Sports Field
- Unique Look
- restaurants
Cons
- Crowded on Weekends
- Crazy Rent Variations
- Lots of Traffic
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Students
- Country Lovers
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- Parking
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"Nice Older Semi Suburban Neighborhood"
You could actually divide Central Sunset into three separate neighborhoods: the Northern, Middle and Southern sections. The northern part of Sunset skirts Golden Gate Park and feels the oldest sections. You can find some pretty good deals on rents here and some fairly large old park side homes.
The middle section of Sunset is the most crowded of the three and has the most activity. It’s where you will find the schools and the Safeway. It has lots of cool looking markets that have managed to survive gentrification so far. You will also find the occasional university student living here.
As you near the southern end of Central Sunset the rents start to rise, especially around Pine Lake Park on the southern end.
Throughout the Sunset, you find smaller quainter homes with garages and little staircases leading up to front doors. Many have nice backyard plots perfect for vegetable gardens and that sort of thing. It all has a very old school sort of feel.
Central Sunset’s location has kept it somewhat protected from the forces of gentrification that have affected the rest of the city. Partly this is because commuting from here is a little tricky and partly it the weather which is a bit too foggy for most people.
The nightlife isn’t too bad around here either. If you are into dive bars, you find at least half a dozen of them in the Sunset. Some of my favorites are The Boomerang and the Chug Pub. You can find a bunch of pizza places here too, including a North Beach Pizza on Taravel (one of the main drags) and the unusual combination of and Indian pizza place, Golden Gate Pizza and Indian Cuisine. Now that’s not a mix you see everyday.
The middle section of Sunset is the most crowded of the three and has the most activity. It’s where you will find the schools and the Safeway. It has lots of cool looking markets that have managed to survive gentrification so far. You will also find the occasional university student living here.
As you near the southern end of Central Sunset the rents start to rise, especially around Pine Lake Park on the southern end.
Throughout the Sunset, you find smaller quainter homes with garages and little staircases leading up to front doors. Many have nice backyard plots perfect for vegetable gardens and that sort of thing. It all has a very old school sort of feel.
Central Sunset’s location has kept it somewhat protected from the forces of gentrification that have affected the rest of the city. Partly this is because commuting from here is a little tricky and partly it the weather which is a bit too foggy for most people.
The nightlife isn’t too bad around here either. If you are into dive bars, you find at least half a dozen of them in the Sunset. Some of my favorites are The Boomerang and the Chug Pub. You can find a bunch of pizza places here too, including a North Beach Pizza on Taravel (one of the main drags) and the unusual combination of and Indian pizza place, Golden Gate Pizza and Indian Cuisine. Now that’s not a mix you see everyday.
Pros
- Great Parks
- Rleatively Affordable Rents
- Quieter neighborhood
Cons
- Morning traffic
- Often cold and foggy
- Removed from major attractions
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Students
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"Cold But Pleasant"
The Sunset District is the Richmond District’s southern twin. It stretches out just to the south of Golden Gate Park. It is a bit cut off from the rest of the SF, so many SF residents find it geographically undesirable, which is a good thing because that usually means some better deals on rents. Which is in fact borne out by the prices here, you can find a two-bedroom here for $2000 on average (and in some spots, even lower). There are also a fair number of 3 and 4 bedroom places here (though these are fairly small bedrooms).
Outer Sunset nestles right up against the southern portion of ocean beach, though the homes are not the kind that you would expect for beach front property. They pretty much look like the kinds of homes you would expect to find throughout the city, tiny and bunched close together. Unlike other places along the California Coast, the beach doesn’t seem to raise prices very much.
I mostly know outer Sunset because on the southwest corner is where you find the SF zoo. It’s sort of a weird spot for a zoo I guess, being right next to ocean, but it makes it really beautiful, though always fairly cold and foggy (you definitely want to wear layers if you are going to visit it).
This actually seems like a fairly reasonable place to get a home if you have a family. In terms of school, Outer Sunset is home to St. Ignatius College Prep, which seems like a fairly good school (its always hard to say with private schools since they don’t have completely open records the way public schools do). The public high school is Lincoln High in Central Sunset. Lincoln is sort of a middling school with average test scores and ranks below most of the schools you find in the more affluent areas of SF—which is probably the drawback for most families.
In terms of things like supermarkets and other conveniences of suburban living, it is still mostly little ethnic markets in the Sunset with the exception of a centrally located Safeway right at the heart of the district.
So, put simply, if you don’t mind the cold and fog that seem to constantly blow off the ocean, the Outer Sunset could be a great spot to set down roots with your family.
Outer Sunset nestles right up against the southern portion of ocean beach, though the homes are not the kind that you would expect for beach front property. They pretty much look like the kinds of homes you would expect to find throughout the city, tiny and bunched close together. Unlike other places along the California Coast, the beach doesn’t seem to raise prices very much.
I mostly know outer Sunset because on the southwest corner is where you find the SF zoo. It’s sort of a weird spot for a zoo I guess, being right next to ocean, but it makes it really beautiful, though always fairly cold and foggy (you definitely want to wear layers if you are going to visit it).
This actually seems like a fairly reasonable place to get a home if you have a family. In terms of school, Outer Sunset is home to St. Ignatius College Prep, which seems like a fairly good school (its always hard to say with private schools since they don’t have completely open records the way public schools do). The public high school is Lincoln High in Central Sunset. Lincoln is sort of a middling school with average test scores and ranks below most of the schools you find in the more affluent areas of SF—which is probably the drawback for most families.
In terms of things like supermarkets and other conveniences of suburban living, it is still mostly little ethnic markets in the Sunset with the exception of a centrally located Safeway right at the heart of the district.
So, put simply, if you don’t mind the cold and fog that seem to constantly blow off the ocean, the Outer Sunset could be a great spot to set down roots with your family.
Pros
- Affordable Rents for SF
- Zoo
- Decent homes
Cons
- Harder to get to
- Not much nightlife
- Not much sunshine
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Students
- Beach Lovers
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- Parking
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"For Food and Fun, not For the Hippies"
Yeah, yeah… I know…the Dead House.. Janis Joplin’s place… Grace Slick… and Alan Ginsburg and Timothy Leary (cue the Moody Blues)… Okay but, as the saying goes, the revolution has been coopted. Going to the Haight to experience the Hippy Movement is like going to Disneyland to experience the Wild West. Yeah, the symbols are there but only the ones they can sell to you for a couple of bucks.
They’ve kept a few things… You still get the some strung out kids, and drug dealers... but its all pretty shallow now. And in terms of living there? Well it varies. You can find some places in old Victorians right by the Panhandle for about $900—while over by Buena Vista Park you’re getting asking prices of $3500 (I even saw one four bedroom for $15,000—no I did not put in an extra zero).
Now I know the history and love the idea of being close to Golden Gate Park (Buena Vista Park is pretty attractive as well), but I have never found this to be a particularly attractive neighborhood in itself. The Victorians here, though colorful on the main drags, look weathered and beaten down as you get off the main drag. I suppose the same could be said of other parts of this city, but somehow it is more disappointing here. The Haight seems to me more like the place where you go to buy hippy stuff either when you’re going through an artsy phase or when you just think it would be funny to have a lava lamp.
That said, I’ll stop disrespecting the neighborhood and say that there are definitely some good ethnic restaurants here from Thai food at Ploy II to tapas at Cha Cha Cha. Also, for drinks go for Alembic, Hobson’s Choice, and the Gold Cane—all good choices among several in the neighborhood.
I think though it might be better to go a little farther west if you have kids, where it is just generally quieter. (Or south if you can afford it.)
They’ve kept a few things… You still get the some strung out kids, and drug dealers... but its all pretty shallow now. And in terms of living there? Well it varies. You can find some places in old Victorians right by the Panhandle for about $900—while over by Buena Vista Park you’re getting asking prices of $3500 (I even saw one four bedroom for $15,000—no I did not put in an extra zero).
Now I know the history and love the idea of being close to Golden Gate Park (Buena Vista Park is pretty attractive as well), but I have never found this to be a particularly attractive neighborhood in itself. The Victorians here, though colorful on the main drags, look weathered and beaten down as you get off the main drag. I suppose the same could be said of other parts of this city, but somehow it is more disappointing here. The Haight seems to me more like the place where you go to buy hippy stuff either when you’re going through an artsy phase or when you just think it would be funny to have a lava lamp.
That said, I’ll stop disrespecting the neighborhood and say that there are definitely some good ethnic restaurants here from Thai food at Ploy II to tapas at Cha Cha Cha. Also, for drinks go for Alembic, Hobson’s Choice, and the Gold Cane—all good choices among several in the neighborhood.
I think though it might be better to go a little farther west if you have kids, where it is just generally quieter. (Or south if you can afford it.)
Pros
- Great Parks
- Great food
- Great nightlife
Cons
- A little dirty
- Expensive to live in
- Tourists
Recommended for
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Students
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"Just So-So for SF"
Okay, so Hayes Valley has pretty much been yuppy-fied. I’m told that this used to be a scary section of SF but that was a long, long time ago indeed. Except for its proximity to some semi-scary places its relatively tame now.
Tucked between Alamo Square and the Tenderloin, Hayes Valley has rents that fluctuate wildly. You can find some areas where apartments are just 1 K / mo while in other spots it’s like Russian Hill rents. Often these places are barely around the corner from each other. As my ex would say, “It’s crazy town.”
Patricia Park is fairly nice in appearance though it is really too small for more than a fifteen minute stay. In fact, I would say that is the main criticism I have of Hayes Valley is that it mostly looks nice from the outside but doesn’t really deliver much for those who actually live. Also, it is bit too close to some of the high crime areas, so you never quite feel safe.
Nevertheless, some of the rents make it worth checking out.
At the southern edge of Hayes, on Market there is quite the party scene if you are into the whole gay dive bar scene. You have Marlena’s and a bit farther north SF Underground. Not being gay, I’ve never really been to these, but I suppose if that were my scene I might be there. There is also Pisco Latin Lounge and Absinthe, which are more eateries in some ways then bars and they can be a good place to have a bite with friends.
Tucked between Alamo Square and the Tenderloin, Hayes Valley has rents that fluctuate wildly. You can find some areas where apartments are just 1 K / mo while in other spots it’s like Russian Hill rents. Often these places are barely around the corner from each other. As my ex would say, “It’s crazy town.”
Patricia Park is fairly nice in appearance though it is really too small for more than a fifteen minute stay. In fact, I would say that is the main criticism I have of Hayes Valley is that it mostly looks nice from the outside but doesn’t really deliver much for those who actually live. Also, it is bit too close to some of the high crime areas, so you never quite feel safe.
Nevertheless, some of the rents make it worth checking out.
At the southern edge of Hayes, on Market there is quite the party scene if you are into the whole gay dive bar scene. You have Marlena’s and a bit farther north SF Underground. Not being gay, I’ve never really been to these, but I suppose if that were my scene I might be there. There is also Pisco Latin Lounge and Absinthe, which are more eateries in some ways then bars and they can be a good place to have a bite with friends.
Pros
- Some Affordable Rents
- A Good Mix of People
- Good Bars
- Good restaurants
Cons
- A Little Overrated
- A Little Unsafe
Recommended for
- Singles
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
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"Prices only Future Corporate Lawyers Could Afford"
Lone Mountain is another neighborhood that I didn’t really realize was a neighborhood. This is basically the home of the USF law school, so watch out who you get mad around here. They could probably tie you up in court for years on end. This, I suppose, is where they train patent lawyers on how to get start-ups to pay extortion money on their intellectual property. Okay, I will restrain myself from a few dark spirited lawyer jokes.
In terms of the neighborhood, it is really mostly the law buildings.
The residential area is really quite nice with lots of modern and Spanish architecture. Most of the homes have first floor garages—which is a nice feature in an area where you get a lot of auto break-ins. You are just above the Pan Handle so you can go for morning jogs or little weekend picnics. There are lots of youngish law students around during the day and you are close to restaurants and bars—the Haight is just to the south of the Pan Handle.
Overall this would be a nice place to live if it were not for the prices. Apparently having the law schools and hospitals nearby makes higher rents possible. I am seeing studios here going for $1400 and 2-br for $3800. Yikes!
In terms of the neighborhood, it is really mostly the law buildings.
The residential area is really quite nice with lots of modern and Spanish architecture. Most of the homes have first floor garages—which is a nice feature in an area where you get a lot of auto break-ins. You are just above the Pan Handle so you can go for morning jogs or little weekend picnics. There are lots of youngish law students around during the day and you are close to restaurants and bars—the Haight is just to the south of the Pan Handle.
Overall this would be a nice place to live if it were not for the prices. Apparently having the law schools and hospitals nearby makes higher rents possible. I am seeing studios here going for $1400 and 2-br for $3800. Yikes!
Pros
- Nice Homes
- Close to USF Law School
- Close to Golden Gate Park
Cons
- Very Expensive
- Not Much of a View
- Crime Spillover from Haight
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Gay & Lesbian
- Students
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Pacific Heights West"
Laurel Heights is basically just Pacific Heights west, as many have already noted. It is a very expensive family neighborhood.
I would say that the main differences between Laurel Heights and Pacific Heights have to do with the look of the homes. Generally speaking, you can find larger homes in Pacific Heights than in Laurel Heights. Laurel Heights you get a lot more two story modernist type homes (think squarish with sharp angles rather than older looking Victorians with flourishes).
The view is pretty different from this area as well. You get a lot more views of the Presidio from here rather than the Bay.
You do have a Trader’s Joe and a full fledged supermarket, which is not that common in SF—its mostly old style corner groceries in places like North Beach.
Although you don’t really have bars in the neighborhood, you have some great choices when it comes to restaurants, including several Italian places, a couple of sushi places and even an Ethiopian restaurant. This is definitely a step up from Pacific Heights which is pretty much a dead zone as far as having anything resembling a singles scene.
Apartments from my research so far range fairly greatly in prices—the pattern seems to be that the closer you get the Pacific Heights on the east the higher it goes (I saw one 2-br for $4800) while the closer you get to Richmond, the more reasonable the prices become (a 1 br for $1100 right on the dividing line). So I would definitely have to stay on the western edge of Laurel Heights.
Right off California, you have lots of expensive shops from jewelry and furniture stores to women’s clothing and toy stores. It is definitely targeted at well-off stay-at-home moms right by there.
As you would expect in this kind of affluent family neighborhood, the schools are great too. San Francisco University High is well liked and there are a number of other choices as well.
I would say that the main differences between Laurel Heights and Pacific Heights have to do with the look of the homes. Generally speaking, you can find larger homes in Pacific Heights than in Laurel Heights. Laurel Heights you get a lot more two story modernist type homes (think squarish with sharp angles rather than older looking Victorians with flourishes).
The view is pretty different from this area as well. You get a lot more views of the Presidio from here rather than the Bay.
You do have a Trader’s Joe and a full fledged supermarket, which is not that common in SF—its mostly old style corner groceries in places like North Beach.
Although you don’t really have bars in the neighborhood, you have some great choices when it comes to restaurants, including several Italian places, a couple of sushi places and even an Ethiopian restaurant. This is definitely a step up from Pacific Heights which is pretty much a dead zone as far as having anything resembling a singles scene.
Apartments from my research so far range fairly greatly in prices—the pattern seems to be that the closer you get the Pacific Heights on the east the higher it goes (I saw one 2-br for $4800) while the closer you get to Richmond, the more reasonable the prices become (a 1 br for $1100 right on the dividing line). So I would definitely have to stay on the western edge of Laurel Heights.
Right off California, you have lots of expensive shops from jewelry and furniture stores to women’s clothing and toy stores. It is definitely targeted at well-off stay-at-home moms right by there.
As you would expect in this kind of affluent family neighborhood, the schools are great too. San Francisco University High is well liked and there are a number of other choices as well.
Pros
- Great Schools
- Great Restuarants
- Good Shopping for Moms
Cons
- Smallish Homes
- expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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"For Doctor Types or Those with Doctor Salaries"
I never realized that this area was its own neighborhood, though I suppose I should have since it does have its own feel to it with the medical center and mall. Still, I have never heard of Anza Vista and I’ve lived in the Bay Area my whole life. I always just thought of this areas as the Western most point of Western Addition or the North of the Panhandle area.
I am actually fairly surprised at how expensive the rents are in the area. $4000 for a 2 bedroom, $3800 for a one bedroom. There was also a listing for a studio at $1100 which is okay I suppose. Perhaps they are getting a lot of doctors from the nearby school and medical center?
The homes are short and squat in this area, not the three story Victorians that you get in a lot of the city. There’s a little bit of a view, the neighborhood being on a bit of an incline in spots but it’s not the rolling views of places like Russian Hill.
Here is a couple of restaurant tips as well. The Bistro Centro Parc is great place (though a bit expensive) to go for breakfast. It’s French and has the feel of the kind of place your grandmother would open if she had a restaurant. A good place to take the girlfriend after a first night sleep over.
Also great is NOPA—it is a super classy, high-ceiled place serving a continental menu. Great for a date or double date after catching a live show downtown. Sort of a theater dress –up feel.
By the way, for the little tykes in this area, there is a Les Petit Canards—a French immersion school. So if you have the money and want to have your kids watching “le Spongebob” from an early age, you’re all set. I don’t really know what prices are like or space arrangements—but I am guessing, like everything else in SF—more expensive than average.
I am actually fairly surprised at how expensive the rents are in the area. $4000 for a 2 bedroom, $3800 for a one bedroom. There was also a listing for a studio at $1100 which is okay I suppose. Perhaps they are getting a lot of doctors from the nearby school and medical center?
The homes are short and squat in this area, not the three story Victorians that you get in a lot of the city. There’s a little bit of a view, the neighborhood being on a bit of an incline in spots but it’s not the rolling views of places like Russian Hill.
Here is a couple of restaurant tips as well. The Bistro Centro Parc is great place (though a bit expensive) to go for breakfast. It’s French and has the feel of the kind of place your grandmother would open if she had a restaurant. A good place to take the girlfriend after a first night sleep over.
Also great is NOPA—it is a super classy, high-ceiled place serving a continental menu. Great for a date or double date after catching a live show downtown. Sort of a theater dress –up feel.
By the way, for the little tykes in this area, there is a Les Petit Canards—a French immersion school. So if you have the money and want to have your kids watching “le Spongebob” from an early age, you’re all set. I don’t really know what prices are like or space arrangements—but I am guessing, like everything else in SF—more expensive than average.
Pros
- Great Hospitals
- Good Shopping and Restaurants
- Close to Everything
Cons
- Expensive
- Not as Beautiful as Other Spots
- Small Houses
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"For Doctor Types or Those with Doctor Salaries"
I never realized that this area was its own neighborhood, though I suppose I should have since it does have its own feel to it with the medical center and mall. Still, I have never heard of Anza Vista and I’ve lived in the Bay Area my whole life. I always just thought of this areas as the Western most point of Western Addition or the North of the Panhandle area.
I am actually fairly surprised at how expensive the rents are in the area. $4000 for a 2 bedroom, $3800 for a one bedroom. There was also a listing for a studio at $1100 which is okay I suppose. Perhaps they are getting a lot of doctors from the nearby school and medical center?
The homes are short and squat in this area, not the three story Victorians that you get in a lot of the city. There’s a little bit of a view, the neighborhood being on a bit of an incline in spots but it’s not the rolling views of places like Russian Hill.
Here is a couple of restaurant tips as well. The Bistro Centro Parc is great place (though a bit expensive) to go for breakfast. It’s French and has the feel of the kind of place your grandmother would open if she had a restaurant. A good place to take the girlfriend after a first night sleep over.
Also great is NOPA—it is a super classy, high-ceiled place serving a continental menu. Great for a date or double date after catching a live show downtown. Sort of a theater dress –up feel.
By the way, for the little tykes in this area, there is a Les Petit Canards—a French immersion school. So if you have the money and want to have your kids watching “le Spongebob” from an early age, you’re all set. I don’t really know what prices are like or space arrangements—but I am guessing, like everything else in SF—more expensive than average.
I am actually fairly surprised at how expensive the rents are in the area. $4000 for a 2 bedroom, $3800 for a one bedroom. There was also a listing for a studio at $1100 which is okay I suppose. Perhaps they are getting a lot of doctors from the nearby school and medical center?
The homes are short and squat in this area, not the three story Victorians that you get in a lot of the city. There’s a little bit of a view, the neighborhood being on a bit of an incline in spots but it’s not the rolling views of places like Russian Hill.
Here is a couple of restaurant tips as well. The Bistro Centro Parc is great place (though a bit expensive) to go for breakfast. It’s French and has the feel of the kind of place your grandmother would open if she had a restaurant. A good place to take the girlfriend after a first night sleep over.
Also great is NOPA—it is a super classy, high-ceiled place serving a continental menu. Great for a date or double date after catching a live show downtown. Sort of a theater dress –up feel.
By the way, for the little tykes in this area, there is a Les Petit Canards—a French immersion school. So if you have the money and want to have your kids watching “le Spongebob” from an early age, you’re all set. I don’t really know what prices are like or space arrangements—but I am guessing, like everything else in SF—more expensive than average.
Pros
- Great Hospitals
- Good Shopping and Restaurants
- Close to Everything
Cons
- Expensive
- Not as Beautiful as Other Spots
- Small Houses
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
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"An Underappreciated Spot"
Inner Richmond is a pretty cool spot. It has the Presidio to the north, so it have a really big green space and the Golden Gate Bridge right there. You are right on the edge of the what most people think of as San Francisco proper, with Pacific Heights to the northeast the Haight just to the south east over the Panhandle. The best spots in Golden Gate Park are just to the south—so if you want to go to see an art exhibit at the DeYoung hang out sunbathing, you are right there. There are always outdoor events being held in the Park as well—concerts and such, so you can save yourself the hassle of trying to find parking or dealing with the crowds on the BART.
Despite this great location, you can still find some steals here. I’ve been looking at listings and although there are your typical $3000 and up rentals, you can also find studios for about $1100—which is pretty amazing given the location.
The buildings around here are a lot like those you find in North Beach and throughout most of the city—the typical three story structures with garages on the ground floor, walkups and bay windows. It’s a really pleasant look though way overused in the city. At least you get a little more variation in this area, like wood shingles and some buildings that look more square-ish than the usual. On the eastern end you also get a fair number of squat walkup Victorian bungalows with subterranean garages and cramped recessed front porches.
Unlike North Beach, this is also a pretty flat area, which means fewer views.
As far as a steal in SF, this would be the area. Perfect location, just far enough from the action but close enough to dive in when you feel like it. Of course, you’ll have to fight off student from the USF campus nearby.
Despite this great location, you can still find some steals here. I’ve been looking at listings and although there are your typical $3000 and up rentals, you can also find studios for about $1100—which is pretty amazing given the location.
The buildings around here are a lot like those you find in North Beach and throughout most of the city—the typical three story structures with garages on the ground floor, walkups and bay windows. It’s a really pleasant look though way overused in the city. At least you get a little more variation in this area, like wood shingles and some buildings that look more square-ish than the usual. On the eastern end you also get a fair number of squat walkup Victorian bungalows with subterranean garages and cramped recessed front porches.
Unlike North Beach, this is also a pretty flat area, which means fewer views.
As far as a steal in SF, this would be the area. Perfect location, just far enough from the action but close enough to dive in when you feel like it. Of course, you’ll have to fight off student from the USF campus nearby.
Pros
- Great Parks
- Close to the Action
- Good ethnic food
- Less expensive
Cons
- Very Flat for SF
- Foggy
- Some homeless people
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Retirees
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
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"A Little Oasis of Average Rents"
With Sea Cliff just to the north, you might expect Central Richmond to be yet another really expensive SF neighborhood. In fact, however it is just average for SF: average household income $74K (SF average is $70K) and average rents $1400 (SF is $1350). So really, this is a fairly average neighborhood.
Partly this has to do with location. It is just far enough from the action that it is a bit of a commute to reach the rest of the city—but it is not far enough away that you get too many views of the bay or the bridge. Basically, it is an inbetween spot. That said, it is actually really quite nice. I’ve had friends live here in college and they really liked it. Your just north of Golden Gate Park which is great on weekends and in the summer when they have concerts and things.
You’re also pretty close to the Legion of Honor and there are a fair number moderately priced restaurants and a couple movie theaters. I’m not sure if there are any supermarkets nearby but there are a lot of corner groceries which is pretty cool.
I could definitely see myself living here—just far enough away from the action but not so far that you feel like you are in the burbs.
Partly this has to do with location. It is just far enough from the action that it is a bit of a commute to reach the rest of the city—but it is not far enough away that you get too many views of the bay or the bridge. Basically, it is an inbetween spot. That said, it is actually really quite nice. I’ve had friends live here in college and they really liked it. Your just north of Golden Gate Park which is great on weekends and in the summer when they have concerts and things.
You’re also pretty close to the Legion of Honor and there are a fair number moderately priced restaurants and a couple movie theaters. I’m not sure if there are any supermarkets nearby but there are a lot of corner groceries which is pretty cool.
I could definitely see myself living here—just far enough away from the action but not so far that you feel like you are in the burbs.
Pros
- Close to many good areas
- Good restaurants
- More reasonable real estate
Cons
- A Touch of Crime?
- Less sunshine
- Crowded
Recommended for
- Singles
- Retirees
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
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"For Fog and Nature Lovers"
Outer Richmond is known largely for being foggy and cold 11 months out of the year. It is the first place to get fog and the last place that clears up and a lot of people who live there and don’t leave the area to go to work can literally go weeks without seeing the sun. If you’re prone to depression due to weather conditions, this is probably not the place for you.
The location is actually pretty wonderful here. To the north you have Lincoln Park, home to the Veteran’s Hospital, the Cliff House along the beach and the Legion of Honor. The Cliff House is a must destination if you want to have dinner along the cliffs of SF. The Giant Camera is also there—another great SF destination. For art lovers, the Legion of Honor is just as impressive a destination. Definitely worth it just for the beautiful grounds but also for the exhibits inside. Right now they are having an exhibition of Dutch watercolors that is really pretty amazing if you are into portraits like those from the film Girl with the Pearl Earring (a Vermeer in that case) or still-lives of fruit that you feel you could almost reach out and take a bite out of.
To the west is the northern stretch of Ocean Beach, which is perfect for morning jogs.
To the south is the westerly most end of Golden Gate Park near the lakes, the equestrian center and the golf course (you actually have golf course on the north and the south of the neighborhood, so if you are training to be the next Tiger Woods, you definitely don’t lack options).
Given that Sea Cliff is just to the northeast and that you have pretty good views from the hills, you might expect that this is a similarly astronomically expensive area, but Outer Richmond is actually only slightly more expensive than average for SF. The average rent in this neighborhood is about $1450 and the median household income $80K. This still makes it a pretty expensive area, but nowhere near as expensive as some its neighbors.
The houses here are fairly mixed as well—lot’s of bungalows, some Victorians, even some Spanish styles and a Craftsman here or there too. I like that they are mostly cozy little things, and that only the rare building is taller than three stories. And I even like that the weather is cool and foggy. I’ve always kind of dug that.
I wouldn’t mind living here at all. I will definitely have to keep this place on my radar to see if I can find any deals.
The location is actually pretty wonderful here. To the north you have Lincoln Park, home to the Veteran’s Hospital, the Cliff House along the beach and the Legion of Honor. The Cliff House is a must destination if you want to have dinner along the cliffs of SF. The Giant Camera is also there—another great SF destination. For art lovers, the Legion of Honor is just as impressive a destination. Definitely worth it just for the beautiful grounds but also for the exhibits inside. Right now they are having an exhibition of Dutch watercolors that is really pretty amazing if you are into portraits like those from the film Girl with the Pearl Earring (a Vermeer in that case) or still-lives of fruit that you feel you could almost reach out and take a bite out of.
To the west is the northern stretch of Ocean Beach, which is perfect for morning jogs.
To the south is the westerly most end of Golden Gate Park near the lakes, the equestrian center and the golf course (you actually have golf course on the north and the south of the neighborhood, so if you are training to be the next Tiger Woods, you definitely don’t lack options).
Given that Sea Cliff is just to the northeast and that you have pretty good views from the hills, you might expect that this is a similarly astronomically expensive area, but Outer Richmond is actually only slightly more expensive than average for SF. The average rent in this neighborhood is about $1450 and the median household income $80K. This still makes it a pretty expensive area, but nowhere near as expensive as some its neighbors.
The houses here are fairly mixed as well—lot’s of bungalows, some Victorians, even some Spanish styles and a Craftsman here or there too. I like that they are mostly cozy little things, and that only the rare building is taller than three stories. And I even like that the weather is cool and foggy. I’ve always kind of dug that.
I wouldn’t mind living here at all. I will definitely have to keep this place on my radar to see if I can find any deals.
Pros
- Great parks nearby
- Less expensive than other neighborhoods
- Proximity to the beach
Cons
- A Bit Removed
- Chilly and foggy
Recommended for
- Retirees
- Country Lovers
- Beach Lovers
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"You Won't Get a Tan Here"
San Francisco is not really known for its beaches or surfing. People who want to lay out and get a tan by the ocean usually have to go farther down the coast—really the first really good beaches are in Santa Barbara as far as I am concerned.
Ocean Beach has most of what you want in a beach—sand and lapping waves and all that. The main problem though is the weather. More often than not the fog and a chill offshore breeze make it way too cold for most people to really get into bathing suits and do the whole beach thing. (This is not to say that you won’t find a fair contingent of polar bear types that will try anyway.)
I actually don’t think that I have ever been to Ocean Beach in the daytime. For me and my friends it was more of a nighttime destination. We would head out after a boring day or when after going out drinking and make a little camp fire and hang out listening to the crashing waves—usually huddled against eachother to keep warm.
In high school it was kind of a cool date spot and I was there occasionally in college too. It is a touch on the dangerous side, I suppose, but I never had any problems.
Overall, if you are desperate for a stroll seaside or a morning jog with the pooch—Ocean Beach will work. If you want a tan, I would try Mission Dolores Park—you have a lot more chance of actually having the sun come out there. If you want to surf, take a drive down to Santa Cruz.
Of course, maybe if you get lucky and you are happy to be there on one of the fifteen or so days where it happens to be sunny and warm on the beach go for it.
Ocean Beach has most of what you want in a beach—sand and lapping waves and all that. The main problem though is the weather. More often than not the fog and a chill offshore breeze make it way too cold for most people to really get into bathing suits and do the whole beach thing. (This is not to say that you won’t find a fair contingent of polar bear types that will try anyway.)
I actually don’t think that I have ever been to Ocean Beach in the daytime. For me and my friends it was more of a nighttime destination. We would head out after a boring day or when after going out drinking and make a little camp fire and hang out listening to the crashing waves—usually huddled against eachother to keep warm.
In high school it was kind of a cool date spot and I was there occasionally in college too. It is a touch on the dangerous side, I suppose, but I never had any problems.
Overall, if you are desperate for a stroll seaside or a morning jog with the pooch—Ocean Beach will work. If you want a tan, I would try Mission Dolores Park—you have a lot more chance of actually having the sun come out there. If you want to surf, take a drive down to Santa Cruz.
Of course, maybe if you get lucky and you are happy to be there on one of the fifteen or so days where it happens to be sunny and warm on the beach go for it.
Pros
- Good For Walking and Jogging
- Cool Night Spot for 20 Somethings
- Public transportation options
Cons
- A Litte Dangerous at Night
- Not a Good Surf Spot
- Always cold and foggy
Recommended for
- Singles
- Students
- Beach Lovers
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"Very, Very Green in More Ways than One"
Sea Cliff is one of those places that doesn’t seem quite real to me—sort of like Monaco on the Pacific. The place is just so immaculate and exudes such wealth, that you are almost afraid of breaking something while you are there.
Of course, there is no real question about living here. It is way beyond the means 99.9% of everyone. The combination of Mediterranean style mansions, bay/ocean front property (it is right at the mouth of SF Bay) and a postcard view of the Golden Gate Bridge—I can hardly fathom the bank people must make to live here.
In case you are wondering, here are the official numbers that I looked up:
Average Income: $175K
Average Rent: $2,200 (though I very much doubt there are many renters here)
In other words, beautiful homes, great views and matchingly spectacular costs!
Of course, there is no real question about living here. It is way beyond the means 99.9% of everyone. The combination of Mediterranean style mansions, bay/ocean front property (it is right at the mouth of SF Bay) and a postcard view of the Golden Gate Bridge—I can hardly fathom the bank people must make to live here.
In case you are wondering, here are the official numbers that I looked up:
Average Income: $175K
Average Rent: $2,200 (though I very much doubt there are many renters here)
In other words, beautiful homes, great views and matchingly spectacular costs!
Pros
- Amazing Views
- Immaculate Streets
- Spacious Homes
Cons
- Not So Diverse
- A Touch Snobby
- expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Country Lovers
- Trendy & Stylish
- Beach Lovers
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"A Loop of Manors"
This is a little looping street on the edge of Presidio Heights. Some people think of this as a mini-neighborhood onto itself but it is really just a little loop. That said, if you want to see some really amazing looking manors take a little day trip to this place. I mean, it is really amazing.
The architecture here wild. There are domes on some of these houses and little ornate details that will just blow your socks off. There are Tudor manors and Spanish influenced homes and lots of palm trees. It is, put simply, yet another place that most of us would only dream about. A friend of mine drove me here once to show it to me otherwise I would never even have realized it exists.
The architecture here wild. There are domes on some of these houses and little ornate details that will just blow your socks off. There are Tudor manors and Spanish influenced homes and lots of palm trees. It is, put simply, yet another place that most of us would only dream about. A friend of mine drove me here once to show it to me otherwise I would never even have realized it exists.
Pros
- Beautiful Homes
- Close To Presidio Golf Course
- Secluded
Cons
- Very Expensive
- Probably Pretty Snobby
- Large Home Problems
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Tourists
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Presidio Front Property"
Presidio Heights is often not even considered a neighborhood onto itself. Most people I know, in fact, would just consider this area either to be just the western end of Pacific Heights or, more likely, the northern most portion of Laurel Heights.
But I happened to drive through this area the other day, and I must say that its 38 blocks do have a distinctive feel to them. Partly, it is just that the neighborhood faces the Presidio on the southern end, which looks a lot like Golden Gate Park.
Also though there is a fair amount of Tudor architecture here which makes the homes look a little bit different. Lots of stonework and wooden shingles. Lots of those stately square buildings modeled on English manors. Basically it looks like they took Beverly Hills and dropped it into SF. There are also a lot fewer Victorians which is a welcome change for SF if you have lived here for a while. (Victorians are lovely but, just like eating burritos every day, they can get old.)
But I happened to drive through this area the other day, and I must say that its 38 blocks do have a distinctive feel to them. Partly, it is just that the neighborhood faces the Presidio on the southern end, which looks a lot like Golden Gate Park.
Also though there is a fair amount of Tudor architecture here which makes the homes look a little bit different. Lots of stonework and wooden shingles. Lots of those stately square buildings modeled on English manors. Basically it looks like they took Beverly Hills and dropped it into SF. There are also a lot fewer Victorians which is a welcome change for SF if you have lived here for a while. (Victorians are lovely but, just like eating burritos every day, they can get old.)
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Not Snob Hill Anymore"
Okay so there is the old joke that is should have been called “Snob Hill” and all that, but actually, if you look at it in terms of statistics, you get a little bit of a different picture. Take a gander:
Median Income: $56K
Average Rent: $1,100
Given that overall, the SF median income is $70K and average rent is $1300, that makes living in Nob Hill, slumming. Well, sort of anyway. This is about average for the country as a whole, but a whole lot more affordable than some Nob Hill’s neigbhors.
Why the lower rents and incomes? I suspect it has something to do with the lower reaches of Nob Hill that border Downtown and the areas surrounding the Tenderloin. Crime is higher in these area as well and people are a lot more packed in. About 51,000/sq. mile vs. 16500 of SF overall. That is pretty densely packed and basically means a lot of people living in tall apartment buildings.
Median Income: $56K
Average Rent: $1,100
Given that overall, the SF median income is $70K and average rent is $1300, that makes living in Nob Hill, slumming. Well, sort of anyway. This is about average for the country as a whole, but a whole lot more affordable than some Nob Hill’s neigbhors.
Why the lower rents and incomes? I suspect it has something to do with the lower reaches of Nob Hill that border Downtown and the areas surrounding the Tenderloin. Crime is higher in these area as well and people are a lot more packed in. About 51,000/sq. mile vs. 16500 of SF overall. That is pretty densely packed and basically means a lot of people living in tall apartment buildings.
Pros
- Affordable Apartments
- Good Transportation
- Cable Car Museum
- good eateries
Cons
- Crime More of an Issue
- Packed
- near the tenderloin
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Gay & Lesbian
- Students
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"Great For Rich Families"
Pacific Heights is known as the upper-class family neighborhood in SF. Because it slopes up from Cow Hollow it commands great views of the north of the peninsula and the Golden Gate—part of the reason for its popularity among SF residents.
Let’s start off with the numbers for Pacific Heights’ 22,000 residents:
Median Income: $118,000
Average Rent $1950
This is about what you expect for this neighborhood. I am actually surprised both numbers aren’t a touch higher than this.
Okay, so with the fact that this neighborhood is clearly out of my means, what do I think about this neighborhood as a place to live at this stage in my life?
First, as far as places in the city for raising a family, it is a nice place to live if you can afford it. There are two big parks. Lafayette Park is on the eastern end near Van Ness. The neighborhood here is actually fairly different than the rest of Pacific Heights. You have tall apartment buildings there and it feels a lot more like North Beach. Secondly, it just feels more single friendly in that area. I suppose I could live in an area like that.
Let’s start off with the numbers for Pacific Heights’ 22,000 residents:
Median Income: $118,000
Average Rent $1950
This is about what you expect for this neighborhood. I am actually surprised both numbers aren’t a touch higher than this.
Okay, so with the fact that this neighborhood is clearly out of my means, what do I think about this neighborhood as a place to live at this stage in my life?
First, as far as places in the city for raising a family, it is a nice place to live if you can afford it. There are two big parks. Lafayette Park is on the eastern end near Van Ness. The neighborhood here is actually fairly different than the rest of Pacific Heights. You have tall apartment buildings there and it feels a lot more like North Beach. Secondly, it just feels more single friendly in that area. I suppose I could live in an area like that.
Pros
- Good Schools
- Nice Views
- Good Weather
Cons
- Expensive Rents
- A Little Snooty
- No In Neighborhood Nightlife
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Holy Cow!"
If you’re from outside of SF, you don’t hear much about Cow Hollow. It doesn’t have the Palace of Fine Arts like the Marina District to the north and it isn’t really a family neighborhood like Pacific Heights to the south. It hasn’t had movies named after it like the Presidio on the west (or Pacific Heights too). And it isn’t quite the destination for weekend partiers from the burbs that North Beach on the east is. As a matter of fact, if you live just across the Bay Bridge or down in San Jose, you could live here for years without ever even hearing about Cow Hollow. It is pretty much a SF enigma.
Those who know SF well, however, know this neighborhood as the place where young professionals who are either single or just married and maybe with a kid on the way live before moving up the hill to Pacific Heights. You might think of this area as the minor leagues for the Pacific Height Pros if that makes any sense. The differences have to do with age in part. The typical Cow Hollow resident is a bit younger than the typical Pacific Heights resident.
Those who know SF well, however, know this neighborhood as the place where young professionals who are either single or just married and maybe with a kid on the way live before moving up the hill to Pacific Heights. You might think of this area as the minor leagues for the Pacific Height Pros if that makes any sense. The differences have to do with age in part. The typical Cow Hollow resident is a bit younger than the typical Pacific Heights resident.
Pros
- great apartments
- great bars
- great restaurants
Cons
- Terrible Parking
- Crowded
- Expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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"Great for a Morning Jog"
The Presidio is one of the oldest spots in SF—sort of, anyway. The Presidio and Mission Dolores were the first two structures founded by the Spanish explorers who came from Baja California in 1776. Anyway they are the oldest conceptual buildings—they were both moved and rebuilt after that.
The Presidio was a military base until it got decommissioned after the end of the Cold War. It’s been turned over to the private sector now. I think Lucas Arts has some buildings there and that kind of thing. It is mostly however a big forested area—the one that you see when you’re on 101 heading up to the Golden Gate on the northern end of SF.
For me, the Presidio is really about Crissy Field, which a great beach area—perfect for morning jogs and that sort of thing. It is really the only real beach on the east side of the Golden Gate. There are other beaches on the Western end of the SF peninsula but this one is unique because it is more a part of the rest of the city.
The Presidio was a military base until it got decommissioned after the end of the Cold War. It’s been turned over to the private sector now. I think Lucas Arts has some buildings there and that kind of thing. It is mostly however a big forested area—the one that you see when you’re on 101 heading up to the Golden Gate on the northern end of SF.
For me, the Presidio is really about Crissy Field, which a great beach area—perfect for morning jogs and that sort of thing. It is really the only real beach on the east side of the Golden Gate. There are other beaches on the Western end of the SF peninsula but this one is unique because it is more a part of the rest of the city.
Pros
- Green Space
- Crissy Field
- Good Jogging Area
Cons
- Too Many Inaccessible Areas
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Students
- Country Lovers
- Beach Lovers
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"The Most Naturally Beautiful SF Neighborhood?"
With Fort Mason on the East, the Presidio on the West, and the bay on the north; the Marina District is one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in SF. It is flatter than a lot of neighborhoods in the City and has a really distinct look to it. The houses here are not really expansive for the most part, but they are really, really attractive.
Part of it is older architecture and part of it is just how well-kept the streets are—it just exudes wealth—a very, urban tightly packed wealth but wealth never the less. In some ways it looks like a lot of other neighborhoods in SF—especially in the Richmond area (which is also flatish like the Marina) but houses really have a different quality to them—from the beautifully kept topiary to the long second story bay windows that look out onto the narrow streets, you can tell that you are in the Marina on virtually any street, even if you couldn’t feel and smell the ocean breeze.
Part of it is older architecture and part of it is just how well-kept the streets are—it just exudes wealth—a very, urban tightly packed wealth but wealth never the less. In some ways it looks like a lot of other neighborhoods in SF—especially in the Richmond area (which is also flatish like the Marina) but houses really have a different quality to them—from the beautifully kept topiary to the long second story bay windows that look out onto the narrow streets, you can tell that you are in the Marina on virtually any street, even if you couldn’t feel and smell the ocean breeze.
Pros
- Beautiful Homes
- Great Kid Spots
- great for walking/peoplewatching
Cons
- High Rents
- Climate Change Threatened?
- Expensive, scarce parking
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Country Lovers
- Trendy & Stylish
- Beach Lovers
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"A Good Bay Side Walk Spot"
Fort Mason like the nearby Presidio is not really a fort anymore. Now it is just a green space where joggers and walkers go. It is one of the many green spaces in SF that make the city a great place to live. You are just far enough away from Fisherman’s Wharf that you don’t get that many tourists here—which locals like.
I think they also have some kind of museum or art exhibitions here and the facilities might also be used for weddings—I really don’t know. I do know that there is a fairly expensive vegetarian restaurant—Greens—right here, but, not being a vegetarian, I’ve never really been there. I imagine the view of the Golden Gate and the bay must be great from here—in terms of a dining experience I mean. I know that is great as a walking experience.
I suppose it would be really nice to have a green space like this right by where you lived, but given how many green spaces there are around the city, I’m not sure it really would be the deciding factor when choosing a
I think they also have some kind of museum or art exhibitions here and the facilities might also be used for weddings—I really don’t know. I do know that there is a fairly expensive vegetarian restaurant—Greens—right here, but, not being a vegetarian, I’ve never really been there. I imagine the view of the Golden Gate and the bay must be great from here—in terms of a dining experience I mean. I know that is great as a walking experience.
I suppose it would be really nice to have a green space like this right by where you lived, but given how many green spaces there are around the city, I’m not sure it really would be the deciding factor when choosing a
Pros
- View of Bay
- Green space
- Near the water
Cons
- Not As Good as Crissy Field
- expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Gay & Lesbian
- Students
- Country Lovers
- Trendy & Stylish
- Beach Lovers
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- Clean & Green
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- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"Bimbos and Corner Stores"
For those of you not familiar with the city, this is the hill on the northwestern end of North Beach—to the west of Fisherman’s Wharf. For tourists, this is where Lombard Street is (you know, the “crookedest street in the world”) and some of the best views of Coit Tower and the Golden Gate and the Bay Bridge.
This is also where Bimbos 365 Club is, for those of you that love live music. Bimbos is kind of the centerpiece of SF music—or at least one of them. I’ve seen lots of concerts here and it is really a great venue. It’s got a real classic ballroom/lounge feel to it, with architecture dating back to the 30’s, I think. Anyway, its great spot for a date. You go to the Indian place down the street first and then catch the show. Afterwards you walk up Columbus into North Beach and get a little table at Vesuvio’s or one of the bars and talk till you’re all talked out.
Up on the northern end of the hill is Fort Mason and the Waterfront. This is right at the western edge of Fisherma
This is also where Bimbos 365 Club is, for those of you that love live music. Bimbos is kind of the centerpiece of SF music—or at least one of them. I’ve seen lots of concerts here and it is really a great venue. It’s got a real classic ballroom/lounge feel to it, with architecture dating back to the 30’s, I think. Anyway, its great spot for a date. You go to the Indian place down the street first and then catch the show. Afterwards you walk up Columbus into North Beach and get a little table at Vesuvio’s or one of the bars and talk till you’re all talked out.
Up on the northern end of the hill is Fort Mason and the Waterfront. This is right at the western edge of Fisherma
Pros
- Close to North Beach
- Nice Victorians
- Parks
Cons
- Poor Parking
- A Little Expensive
- Old Building Problems
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Retirees
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
- Country Lovers
- Trendy & Stylish
- Beach Lovers
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- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"My Lunch Spot"
Without a doubt this is the most famous Chinatown in North America. It is definitely a draw especially during Chinese New Year when it is packed—literally elbow to elbow, standing room only packed. You can also find lots of cheap stuff to buy here. I don’t have any idea if it is worth it or not, but there is a certain enjoyment in the bazaar--like feel of the place.
I wonder what it would be like living here, though? Would they think it was weird for an Anglo to try to move in? Are there listings? You would have to live over a storefront for sure. But it might be kind of cool.
The stats on Chinatown are pretty strange. Average income in most areas of Chinatown? Between $14K and $28 K. Average rent about $450. How is this possible in the heart of SF and smack next to areas where incomes are over $100K and rents over $2,000? Very strange—but it seems like most Chinatowns have similar sorts of numbers. I know LA has a Chinatown area that has numbers just like this. I don’t re
I wonder what it would be like living here, though? Would they think it was weird for an Anglo to try to move in? Are there listings? You would have to live over a storefront for sure. But it might be kind of cool.
The stats on Chinatown are pretty strange. Average income in most areas of Chinatown? Between $14K and $28 K. Average rent about $450. How is this possible in the heart of SF and smack next to areas where incomes are over $100K and rents over $2,000? Very strange—but it seems like most Chinatowns have similar sorts of numbers. I know LA has a Chinatown area that has numbers just like this. I don’t re
Pros
- Cheap shopping
- Great Chinese food
- nice architecture
Cons
- terrible parking
- very, very crowded
- a little dirty
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Families with kids
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters
- Students
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- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
"SF's Wallet"
Offices, offices, and more offices! Banks, and embassies, and suits, oh my! Want to be reminded that you are at the heart of West Coast commerce, just get off BART at Montgomery and hang around for a while. Have a seat at the foot of the Federal Reserve Bank. Take a little walk—but keep your wits about you because the traffic is almost as crazy as the bike messengers (think Puck from the Real World if you want to get old school—remember that sociopath was a bike messenger, and from what I have noticed emotional disorders are definitely a career trait for those guys).
Want to get some coffee—no problem, you can find a Starbucks or similar establishment literally on every face of each block. This is where SF looks most like NYC.
As you may know though, financial types love their bars and you can definitely find a number of these around here: the Occidental Cigar Club, the Comstock, the Old Ship Saloon just to name a few. Just hang around in some of these and you can listen in a
Want to get some coffee—no problem, you can find a Starbucks or similar establishment literally on every face of each block. This is where SF looks most like NYC.
As you may know though, financial types love their bars and you can definitely find a number of these around here: the Occidental Cigar Club, the Comstock, the Old Ship Saloon just to name a few. Just hang around in some of these and you can listen in a
Pros
- Great Pricey Bars
- Lots of Work Places
- Coffe Shops and Eateries Gallore
Cons
- Noisy
- Not at all residential
- Paid parking only
Recommended for
- Singles
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- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
"For Convention Goers and Financial Types"
The Embarcadero is the area between the Bay Bridge and Fisherman’s Wharf. It’s one of the favored areas for tourists and locals alike. People go there just walk (or often jog) the shorefront. Rincon Park is there. It is less of an actual park than a recreation area. It is the place with the giant Cupid’s Bow and Arrow. When I’ve worked in the city or had to catch the ferry, I’ve come here to have lunch—it’s close enough to the financial district that you get lots of lawyer and CPA types and their staffs around lunch time on a week day.
There is a big mall, the Embarcadero Center with a movie theater that plays foreign and indie movies regularly. Most of the stores here cater to high end customers and the place definitely has an upper class feel. There seems always to be conventions held in the area so there is a constant stream of visiting business customers to add to the usual set of white collar locals and general tourists. There is also a pretty good bookstore there, which
There is a big mall, the Embarcadero Center with a movie theater that plays foreign and indie movies regularly. Most of the stores here cater to high end customers and the place definitely has an upper class feel. There seems always to be conventions held in the area so there is a constant stream of visiting business customers to add to the usual set of white collar locals and general tourists. There is also a pretty good bookstore there, which
Pros
- Very Posh Condos/Apartments
- Very Good Though Expensive Mall
- Beautiful views
- Great food
Cons
- Terrible Parking
- A Touch Unsafe at Night
- Very expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Families with kids
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
"Really Attractive Hill"
This is really beautiful area. The major tourist attraction is Coit Tower—which for those of you who don’t know SF much—is that stone tower you can see from Fisherman’s Wharf or at least as you’re driving to the Wharf on the Embarcadero. If I ever hit it big, I might consider living here. It has great views of the Bay Bridge and the architecture is really attractive. A lot of it that sort of 1930’s style architecture—like modernist maybe or Beaux-Arts—that kind of thing.
The streets are also really hilly (no duh, it’s called Telegraph Hill) which makes for lots of great vistas. It also has a bunch of the steps that this area is known for, which would be great for going on walks. The Vallejo steps are here for instance. It also feels far enough away from North Beach where you could rest at night, but not so far away that you couldn’t drop down to get your morning latte from Caffe Trieste.
Of course, this area is hardly a secret and that is reflected in the prices. These are ba
The streets are also really hilly (no duh, it’s called Telegraph Hill) which makes for lots of great vistas. It also has a bunch of the steps that this area is known for, which would be great for going on walks. The Vallejo steps are here for instance. It also feels far enough away from North Beach where you could rest at night, but not so far away that you couldn’t drop down to get your morning latte from Caffe Trieste.
Of course, this area is hardly a secret and that is reflected in the prices. These are ba
Pros
- Attractive Older Buildings
- Beautiful views
- Close to great restaurants and nightlife
Cons
- Narrow Streets
- Steep Inclines
- Very expensive
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Gay & Lesbian
- Trendy & Stylish
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- Clean & Green
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
"No One Lives Here But the Sea Lions"
Fisherman’s Wharf is mostly just for checking out the tourists or bringing friends visiting from other parts of the country. I really only come down here on two occasions. My elementary school age son loves it here. He loves to look at the sea lions (seals? I’m terrible with even the simplest of animal ID’s) and he loves the Rain Forest Café. I guess it is definitely the whole wild life theme that gets him.
I could really spend all day with him hanging out, checking out the Peruvian flute players, the robot guy, the jugglers, going on the carousel and all that. I take him here at least twice a year. Now that we are in the city we will probably do it more. It’s a good time and doesn’t have to be that expensive if you walk there and go to the cheap places on the pier.
It’s also cool if you want to see tourists from other countries. You can literally hear a dozen languages by just standing around.
I also come here whenever someone from out of town is visiting. I’ve played t
I could really spend all day with him hanging out, checking out the Peruvian flute players, the robot guy, the jugglers, going on the carousel and all that. I take him here at least twice a year. Now that we are in the city we will probably do it more. It’s a good time and doesn’t have to be that expensive if you walk there and go to the cheap places on the pier.
It’s also cool if you want to see tourists from other countries. You can literally hear a dozen languages by just standing around.
I also come here whenever someone from out of town is visiting. I’ve played t
Pros
- Fun for Young kids
- a must for tourists
- great for walking/peoplewatching
Cons
- Parking is Terrible!
- Overpriced in every way
- Wayyy too full of tourists
Recommended for
- Families with kids
- Tourists
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- Childcare
- Clean & Green
- Cost of Living
- Eating Out
- Gym & Fitness
- Internet Access
- Lack of Traffic
- Medical Facilities
- Neighborly Spirit
- Nightlife
- Parking
- Parks & Recreation
- Peace & Quiet
- Pest Free
- Public Transport
- Resale or Rental Value
- Shopping Options
- Safe & Sound
- Schools
"Great For the Just out of College Set?"
So this is my first blog on this site. I like to write things down when I’m thinking things through so I thought this might be kind of a cool way of getting my thoughts down. I’m single again after what feels like a long, long, long time… Let’s just say it was the Bush administration the last time I was on a first date. (Baby Bush, not Papa Bush.)
But I digress. I’m crashing on the coach of some buddies I’ve known since college, and I have been thinking about where to move in the city.
I had a chance to move to North Beach way back when, and I sort of missed my big opportunity. Some of college buddies (one of the ones I’m crashing with) got a place right off Bay Street. This little expensive apartment with thin walls where you could hear what everybody was saying and doing. I had come to visit them a bunch of times, but things were just getting going with my then girlfriend, future wife, so I didn’t go along.
Anyway, to make a long story short, there is a part of me that would love to go back to may younger days and live here--but I just don't think I am there anymore.
But I digress. I’m crashing on the coach of some buddies I’ve known since college, and I have been thinking about where to move in the city.
I had a chance to move to North Beach way back when, and I sort of missed my big opportunity. Some of college buddies (one of the ones I’m crashing with) got a place right off Bay Street. This little expensive apartment with thin walls where you could hear what everybody was saying and doing. I had come to visit them a bunch of times, but things were just getting going with my then girlfriend, future wife, so I didn’t go along.
Anyway, to make a long story short, there is a part of me that would love to go back to may younger days and live here--but I just don't think I am there anymore.
Pros
- Good Date Spot
- good lunch break street
- great night spots
Cons
- noisy 24/7
- a touch of a crime problem
- Lots of tourists
Recommended for
- Professionals
- Singles
- Tourists
- Gay & Lesbian
- Hipsters