Pet New York City peeves

Okay, so we all reside in what has been described as the 'greatest city in the world' but in spite of all its wonderfulness there are certain aspects of New York City and its inhabitants that drive me crazy. Some of my favorite NYC peeves include:-

1. Pushy folk in the grocery line who will not allow you to even pay for your stuff before they plonk down their own and expect to be checked out at once.

2. Those folk in the subway who sit with their legs wide apart so as to have huge amounts of 'personal space' while you stand with your packages and glower.

3. Other folk on the subway who chew gum and then blow and burst gum bubbles with a loud 'thwat'( thought we left this kind of behavior behind when we were kids).

4. Those folk who insist on yakking on their cell phones in the middle of a snow storm while you are waiting patiently behind to board the bus or those folk who just have to gab on their cell phones while they block the aisles with their carts in perennially crowded and always busy Trader Joe's.

Of course this list is a work in progress but feel free to add to it with your favorite peeves as well...
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
The drugstore is another place I find that people are constantly trying to cut you in line. Especially when a new cashier opens up and it is rightfully your turn - whoever is behind you still feels an inexplicable sense of entitlement to be checked out first.

I would add to the list tourists who are unaware that the left side of the escalator is the fastlane.
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hhusted 2yrs+
Wow, I agree with each one both of you have listed. I have been in the worst situations. I had one person try to cut in front of me and told the person to wait her turn. She looked at me with a snub look. The cashier apologized to me for the person's rudeness. I paid for my stuff, turned toward the woman, and in a sarcastic voice, said "Have a nice day."

She just sneered.

Some people just try my nerves. I was told that is just the New York attitude.

Anyone have any comments about that?
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Well, having somehow made peace with the "attitude" one gets, and having learned to give a little attitude in return, it's not people and their bad behavior that gets to me, its the potholes! And those famous ever-full drainage sinks at the curbs. You know, that give you icy wet-foot in every kind of rainy and slushy weather.

Medieval!
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hhusted 2yrs+
Well, when I walk down a sidewalk and get to a curb, especially after a snow or rainstorm, I anticipate floods, so I back off and go around it. The ground doesn't bother me as much as people and their ignorance does.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uraniumfish I've stepped in plenty a puddle that was concealed by a topcoat of snowy ice.... I think the one thing I will never be schooled in is how to avoid hidden puddles. The only answer for me was a good pair of rain boots.

@uptowngirl I thought of this post as I was walking to the gym earlier and passed a dude peeing in a public phone booth. That sort of thing makes you think twice about touching anything in the public arena that is NYC - you never know who's peed on it. How annoying.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ BroadwayBK Saw a public pee-er just yesterday. What's with these people? He looked perfectly sane and was well-dressed, so I couldn't even excuse it because he might be crazy or homeless or something. Good grief. Did they not attend kindergarten on the day we were all taught not to do that?
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uraniumfish The guy I saw could've gone either way - if he wasn't homeless he may have had a good crack habit going. The respectable-looking guy peeing in public is more of an anomaly. Ah, New York.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ BroadwayBK He saw me passing and said, "Sorry, I just got off the train." Why is that any kind of an excuse?

Yeah, so, germs in public places is a big issue with me.
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hhusted 2yrs+
I can't stand low-class people like that. If he needs to pee, go home. If not there are some establishments in town that have public bathrooms. There is no excuse. These people are simply ignorant and need to be taught a lesson in manners.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish At least your man offered some form of apology, however weak the explanation? I just had to move out of the way quick before that yellow river moved downstream.

Anyway, that's the reason why I try never to come into contact with outside walls.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I'm working on a strategy of guilt and shame, with such people. Perhaps yell something out like "Hey, this guy's peeing in public!" to draw some attention to the offender? Since they missed that important day in kindergarten, perhaps it's our job now to socialize these people somehow. As a public service.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I hate how corrupt the MTA is.
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I'm quite sure I witnessed an act of fellatio on the subway last week. The guy was standing, holding his coat out to hide the woman sitting facing him - there was much giggling and ruffling going on. I was not amused.

Other pet peeve - people walking really slowly down 5th Avenue in the 50's - granted, it was Christmas-window-season, but there ought to be some general sense of foot traffic!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist That definitely tops a guy peeing in a phone booth! Glad I missed out on that subway action.

I actually really hate when you are sitting in a crowded train car and man position themselves so that their junk (though still clothed) is situated in front of your face and a bit too close for comfort. Seems to happen way more often than you'd think.
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hhusted 2yrs+
I thought the MTA had put a law or rule in place to prevent such sexual activity from occurring on subway trains. I guess you have to get caught for them to inforce it.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
That's definitely illegal public activity no matter where you happen to be in this country...
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
This is not the first time I have heard of sex escapades on the subway - I have yet to experience something first hand though many New Yorkers have - Flashers and Groppers seem to abound on NYC subways! http://www.nbcnewyork.com/station/as-seen-on/Subway_Flasher_Arrested_New_York.html
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hhusted 2yrs+
Yeah, but how can such events be stopped, unless people start saying something. Remember all the ads that said if you see something suspicious, say something. People did. Now people need to report any sexual perversion as well. Maybe that will stop it.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
Hhusted if you watch the NBC video link that I posted it indicates that the authorities don't take you seriously even if you do complain. However I remember a friend telling me that she did report a flasher once who was arrested and turned out to be the owner of a vegan restaurant in her East Village neighborhood she now avoids even walking past the restaurant. I guess this city attracts all sorts of people.
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hhusted 2yrs+
Talking about sexual problems in the subway. the NYOne station reported about an secual assault that occurred on Friday of last week. The incident happened at 3:15pm inside the Junction Boulevard station. The man was accused of touching the a girl's buttocks as she was walking up the stairs.

Just goes to prove incidents don't just have to ocurr in the train.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
See, but why don't people just do something loud to attract attention to the sexcapades and embarrass the people doing it? I still think shame is a much more powerful deterrent than any police action would be.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish Do you think they would be embarrassed?
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Dunno, BroadwayBK. Surely they do it for the thrill and danger of being caught, but I don't think suddenly having to really deal with a bunch of people pointedly staring at them is very sexy, or would be conducive to...um...finishing the sexual act.

Just speculating here.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone I just need to add one more peeve to this long list.. dog lovers in this city who dont clean up after their dogs. I know that the Park's Department has raised the fine for not scooping your pooch's poop to $250 but I dont know if it is ever imposed for there seems to be dog poop everywhere I look and the problem only seems more acute in the winters when snow often covers the sidewalks and provides an ideal camouflage for the poop. Don't get me wrong I love dogs too but I just wish their owners would clean up after them.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ uptowngirl Yes! I think dog lovers in general are one big peeve for me, but maybe I'm just grumpy lately.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I'm surprised no one thought of that one earlier - doggie leftovers are a common New York City problem that cross the boundaries of race and class. Read: no neighborhood is safe.
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Pet NYC Peeve #3242393053 - going to Gourmet Garage to pick up some spices, and discovering they retail for $5-7 EACH! Goodness - at Sainsbury's in the UK you can get them for 60 pence - 1 pound ($1-2) apiece!
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hhusted 2yrs+
$5 for a container of spice. That is wild. Talking about inflation.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist what kind of spices were you looking for?TJ's spices are around $1.99 a bottle and Patel Brothers in Jackson HeightsQueens has a whole host of spices which come in mega containers too and cost around $2.99 a bottle.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Yeah, I was just going to say, at Trader Joe's they're 1.99, though I wouldn't call their spice collection particularly extensive.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist you might even want to try Kalustyan's at 28th street and Lexington avenue they have an extensive range of spices but prices are higher than TJ's.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Here's another one: significantly over-stated descriptions of apartment rentals.

If I read an ad that said, "Small, old, and not particularly clean place for rent with one window that faces a brick wall," I might still decide to go see it if I'm looking for something cheap. But at least when I get there I won't feel that I've been lied to.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I looked at an apt the other day that was supposed to have had "a converted living room." The current tenant actually wanted me to live in the open-area living room.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I saw a one-bedroom which the tenant had tried to convert into a THREE bedroom. The "room" I looked at was so ludicrously a closet, that I had to keep myself from laughing out loud when I saw it. And the price was a kind of wishful thinking. Guy said he'd had more than 30 people look at it and couldn't understand why it hadn't been rented yet.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
People are insane... I currently live in a three bedroom (found it on Craig's) and the dude whose name is on the lease pays $350 a month for rent while he overcharges us, his lovely roomies. Must be the life.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK and @Uraniumfish space is such a premium in NYC, My husband and I are fortunate that we own a fairly spacious 1000sqaure foot apartment that he found before we got married after having looked all over the city for nearly three years. Yet when we have guests visit us from overseas they always tend to comment on our 'tiny' apartment! At first I used to feel insulted but now I only laugh at their ignorance.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Now's the time to move, BroadwayBK. Rents are plummeting, and a couple of people who were trying to let rooms seemed bewildered that they had only gotten one or two responses for their craigslist ads. Which means in another week, they'll all be desperate and lower rents. I'm pretty sure this will continue into the summer.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: We all know people are insane, at least a number of them. As for being overcharged, if the guy is the lease holder and you are sharing the apartment with him, then he has a legal right to do that. I'm not saying it is a moral right. I know I wouldn't do that. Brings back bad karma. Your best bet is to move into your own place so you pay the rent and have control over the apartment.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@hhusted Actually, it's illegal to charge more than a proportionate share of the rent even if you are the lease holder
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Wait, really? I didn't know it was illegal. Does that mean one can actually do something about it, or is it one of those laws that no one bothers to enforce?
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Wait, but then how does my Nolita building factor into that? Rents on old leases are $1000 and rents on brand new leases are $4000. Is the landlord overcharging the tenants more than a proportionate amount of rent, or am I not getting something here?
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
It's illegal for leaseholders to charge roommates more than a proportionate amount of the rent in a rent controlled apartment. You can sue and get up to three times what you've been overpaying. And you have to file your own complaint obviously.

No idea about what landlords are allowed to charge.... Here's a fun website written by a former NY tenant lawyer: http://www.tenant.net/
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Thanks BroadwayBK. That link went right into my main bookmarks, I'll be looking around at it frequently. I'm also amazed that something can be done about people over-charging for terrible room offerings, essentially forcing the person who takes the room to be the "money-pig" who pays most of the rent for the apartment. That's GREAT!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish People overcharging their roommates is probably one of my most hated things about this city, it happens so often and whenever I bring it up people say, 'Oh it's different if you're moving in with friends, but it's okay to charge strangers whatever you want.' It seems like no one else agrees that you shouldn't just be able to charge roommates whatever you want. It happens so often that when a friend told me there were laws against it, I didn't believe her.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Definitely at the top of my NYC Pet Peeves list, and one of the things that makes the city seem so inhospitable to people trying to move here for the first time, who just want a room to start out in...

Maybe this has gotten ever so slightly better in the last few months, with rental prices going down across the board, and people realizing they can't charge outrageous prices for their crappy little spare bedrooms.
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Sorry Sanschez? I'm a bit confused - how has your quality of life been compromised. Glad to hear the rents are going down across the board, though - and I didn't know that about the roommate law. Hopefully this means life will be affordable in NYC soon - or at least more affordable.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist I don't think the roommate law is something that is often enforced, as no one seems to know about it. And I'm guessing that in order to enforce it you'd have to drag your roommate to civil court.

I think the problem is that so many people post rooms on Craig's and many of the people who move into these rooms don't know how much the actual total rent is until after they've agreed to an inflated price.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: When I said it was legal for the lease holder to overcharge you, I met that if you share the apartment with him, and let's say the total rental price of the apartment is $1000. He could charge you $600 while he pays $400, instead of dividing the rent equally. It would be fair to divide the money equally, but if you don't complain about it, then you have yourself to blame for paying more than your fair share.

I had that situation happen to me once and I complained to the lease holder. He told me if I did not like it I could move out. However, I didn't let this guy take advantage of me. I went straight to the landlord about it, and he told me if I was going to live there as a roommate, I needed to have my name added to the lease. He did this and from that time onward, I got a copy of the monthly rent envelope and paid the landlord directly for my half of the rent.

@Sanschez: What do you mean by saying your quality of life was compromised to accomodate our quality of life?
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@hhusted It's absolutely not legal in a rent controlled apartment, no matter who is on the lease.

I'm glad that you didn't let the guy take advantage of you - this situation happens a lot here.
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hhusted 2yrs+
Oh, you are talking about a rent-controlled place. Sorry, BroadwayBK, I commented without fully reading your post above. For rent-controlled apartments, I do agree with you.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
Here's another one for the Peeve Chronicles. Have you ever noticed that whenever you are in a hurry to make an appointment and take the subway to save time, the train often comes to screeching halt underground as the conductor announces that he is sorry for the delay but the train is held up because of train traffic ahead as you stew away and lose precious time . For someone who is always rushing around despite my best intentions to be on time this is a source of major irritation.
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Indeed! Although the subway's still more reliable than cabs - cab traffic is the worst, especially when you imagine yourself just strolling on by on the sidewalk...
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hhusted 2yrs+
If I need to get somewhere way up town, I will take the subway, since it will get me there faster. If I take the cab, I'll end up spending over $10 to get where I'm going. And a bus makes stops at every street corner, unless it is express.
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I do much prefer bus journeys, although they combine the worst of cab and subway elements. At least they're cheap and scenic - if I'm not in a rush, I enjoy heading down Fifth or up Madison that way!
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist My husband is like you in that respect he much prefers the bus than the subway. Wonder if it is a London thing? I still remember on one of my first visits there he wanted me to jump off one of those old route master buses and I thought he was nuts for not waiting until the bus stopped at the bus stop!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Toward the end of a lengthy stay in Paris I refused to take anything but the bus - I felt like I was missing out on the view by being underground so much. And in London I remember taking the bus more than the underground as well.... but there they have those fantastic double-decker numbers.

That said, I prefer taking the train in NYC - at least in Manhattan. It seems the quickest way to get anywhere - especially during rush hours, though I try not to be traveling during those crucial moments.
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hhusted 2yrs+
In Manhattan, I do not need to see the sites, since there really is not much to see, except Central Park, of course. When I want to get somewhere, I want to get there fast. So I will go by the subway, if at all possible.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@hhusted Agreed. Though sometimes it's nice to stop and smell the roses - or in this case take in the city.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Buses are interminable in peak hours. And, not to be a brute about it, but just when you really really want to get somewhere, some old lady will need special assistance requiring the bus driver to stop, park, and dismount to help her. Just saying, in this particular city, bus riding isn't especially picturesque.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I meant by walking : D

Whenever I take the bus here it seems like I never get a seat and I'm always surrounded by mass amounts of children who've just gotten out of school.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Ah, okay, if we mean walking then I'm definitely going to second that.

:)
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish and BroadwayBK your comments are so true....
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Or cycling! Despite the smog, I've always found cycling in New York City to be quite pleasant. Maybe not in the cold/wind, though...
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DBlack 2yrs+
How about this as a peeve: the fact that the city is now run like a corporation, to the detriment of everyone who lives here.
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DBlack 2yrs+
Another: Parking in NYC. I know it's an obvious one, but the daily fight for parking space, having to move your car at the crack of dawn for street cleaning, on and on and on...a never ending hassle.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@DBlack I usually am good about searching for a space on the correct side of the street, but I feel like I have better things to do than to keep looking out the window to see if there is a spot available. And of course street cleaning on my block begins at 8am! Why couldn't I live on one of those streets that only gets cleaned on Wednesdays?
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: I have an even more stupid question. Why does street cleaning have to be done anyway. Even after the cleaner sweeps down the street, the street still looks bad, especially in my neighborhood. I guess if they didn't sweep the streets, the streets may look really bad.

@DBlack: I agree with you regarding parking. I don't have to worry since I do not own a car, but I do feel sorry for those who do.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@hhusted You'd be surprised how fast the garbage/ liter piles up when they don't do it. That week my car was frozen to the street, and cleaning was suspended for about a week, there was a virtual mini-garbage dump under my car. It may look bad even after they sweep, but trust me it's worse when they don't.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@DBlack your post about NYC being run like a corporation-many people actually believe that because Bloomberg runs the city like a company its actually good for the city(btw I am not one of those believers).
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I certainly agree with you, @uptowngirl. I see Bloomberg's point, but his outrageous budget cuts and penalizing of those who can't help themselves (children, the elderly via schools, nursing home, etc., budget cuts) really don't endear him to me
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl and @Ajadedidealist: I didn't like Giuliani. But there is one thing I can say, when he was in office, crime was way down, the schools were in decent shape, and this city was better off financially. This is because he did not run it like a business, but like a politician. Actually, because he was a lawyer, he ran it like one.

Bloomberg on the other hand, only knows business. I wonder if the reason he wanted the job of mayor so he could be prestigeous and show up his friends. I had a friend who retired from a city job, shortly after Bloomberg took office. He told me that Bloomberg took the job as mayor to prove to his friends that he could run this city better than his own business. Frankly, that was a mistake on his part, and we are suffering for it now.
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It's a real pity - @hhusted. Running a city absolutely cannot be like a business - because maximizing profits is not the goal of governing - taking care of one's citizens is!
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: I know what you mean. This is the point I tried to argue with a few of my friends during the last election. But they didn't care. They said they wanted him in office for a reason.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted guess they benefit in some way by having him there. I personally feel NYC has become way more unaffordable ever since he has become mayor.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: That is why I see people leaving this city in pockets. Many people just cannot survive here anymore.
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It's a real pity - @hhusted. Running a city absolutely cannot be like a business - because maximizing profits is not the goal of governing - taking care of one's citizens is!
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ajadeidealist What the heck? With the repetition?
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Sorry, @uraniumfish - there was a firefox bug that caused a bunch of double posts when my browser crashed and restarted. Apologies!
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@ajadedidealist Firefox has been playing truant on my machine as well lately.. maybe the newer versions have some bugs...
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Weird. Firefox has been totally dysfunctional with me too, and I've switched to Google Chrome, which is quite stylish.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: I had some issues with Firefox, but apparently Firefox straightened itself out. Now it is working fine.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I am always tempted to switch over to Chrome, but I am scared of too much change.

@everybody I haven't had any issues with Firefox... but it did just update itself I think.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Chrome is cool! Make the change! It's streamlined and a little bit sexy, even.
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hhusted 2yrs+
I tried Chrome and didn't like it. I had no toolbars. Perhaps I had to set it up, but there was something strange about it. Perhaps when they update it so it is compatible with many websites, I'll download and use it. I use Firefox now and really haven't had a problem, so why switch.
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Yeah, I'm not an enormous fan of chrome. Firefox is great, although I use Safari on my desktop computer, a mac
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hhusted 2yrs+
Isn't Safari strictly for MACs?
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Chrome imported all my bookmarks from Firefox automatically. And it has let me customize my toolbar quite nicely, so it only contains the things I want and nothing else.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uranimfish I figured it would transfer bookmarks..who would switch over if it didn't do that? But you pretty much have me convinced....
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: I hope you have good fortune with Chrome, if you decide to go with it.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Back to pet peeves - or really, a lack of them this month. Is anyone else enjoying this vacation from alternate side parking regulations as much as I am!!
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK don't have a car so don't share that peeve! Was alternate side parking suspended for the holiday weekend?
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hhusted 2yrs+
I don't have a car either, so ASP doesn't apply to me. I feel bad for those who have to move their cars.
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DBlack 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Yeah, all kinds of car fun these days...
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hhusted 2yrs+
I wonder what people, who have cars and a job, do when ASP occurs. Do they risk a ticket and leave the car there? I talked to one guy who said he bought a special parking permit so he wouldn't have to worry about ASP.
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gtangjr 2yrs+
My number one pet peeve in NYC is feeling like I'm simply a cow in a heard, schlepping my way through Grand Central (which I did five days a week), with the rest of the cattle, simply going from one pen to another. Everyone is a drone, and I half expect to be zapped by a cattle prod at any second.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
Well said gtangjr!
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hhusted 2yrs+
@gtangjr: Interesting way of saying it.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@gtangjr Just about describes my first summer out of college, commuting to Manhattan every day on the subway to a big office tower in Midtown. Man, I'm glad that's in the past.
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thatchick 2yrs+
I hate to say it, but the four in the original post is universal. Especially the grocery store etiquette. I work at a harveys down here in GA and am always abashed at peoples behaviors. Cant say much about public peeing though lol.
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elysium 2yrs+
The traffic and drivers not stopping for pedestrians
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Elysium: I hear ya. One day a pedestrian will get hit and killed for walking across the street against a light. Unfortunately, that won't stop people from being stupid and risking their lives.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@hhusted I think elysium meant that traffic and drivers don't stop for pedestrians when it's the pedestrians that actually have the right of way. That happens sometimes, too.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: Yeah, but when the light is against you, the rule is not to cross the street, but people don't care. They think they are untouchable so they go right across the street no matter what. I see the look in the faces of those who cross the street. I asked one millennium guy why he did it. In a very snobbish way he said he is too important not to be hit. I said these very words, "You've got to be kidding." He looked at me, gave me a snobbish look and walked away.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@hhusted I realize that, I'm just saying that your response was the opposite of an agreement. Drivers should stop for pedestrians in any case, whether they are being jerks about crossing the street or not. It's always nice not to kill people.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone one thing about NYC streets has always puzzled me is that how vehicular traffic is allowed to turn on a pedestrian 'walk' sign. is that normal in other US cities as well? I havent seen this phenomenon in any other global city...so have been wondering
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JenMac 2yrs+
@uptowngirl: they can turn if there are no visible pedestrians within ten feet of the crosswalk. Cars (especially cabs) here don't really seem to care if you're ten feet through the crosswalk. I guess it's every man for himself!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
If cars couldn't turn when pedestrians had the green light - or white light, I guess - then no car would ever get anywhere. I guess they could make a system where cars were allowed to turn on their own green light and then pedestrians would get there own go-ahead, but that would clog up roads with traffic for sure. Everyone would be waiting longer to get where they are going and we all know that no one in this city wants that.

And it is normal in other US cities.... what do they do in other countries? I thought that was pretty standard.

And as a driver I have to say, yeah - it is every man for himself. I don't plan on running anyone over but if I can drive around the people on the crosswalk I'm going to have to go for it, since our green lights coincide.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBk in many other countries a 'walk' sign for the pedestrian means a stop for all traffic , turn or no turn that's why it took some time for me to get used to it here in NY..
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl Does it seem like traffic moves better or worse with that kind of system? And when I was living in Europe I remember it being the same as here as far as traffic and pedestrians were concerned. Did I just not notice that it was different?
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At least there are legitimate signs! In Rome, nothing ever works and it's a game of free-for-all/chicken at every street corner.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK and @Uptowngirl: I talked to an officer about cars turning into streets, while pedestrians are walking, and according to him, it is illegal for a car to turn when there are pedestrians on the street or stepping off the sidewalk to enter the street. The only problem is that there are no cops around to arrest the drivers that do it. So they get away with it.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: When I drive, which is very seldom, I never turn a corner when pedestrians are walking across the street. I wait. I went through one time, just after a pedestrian crossed the half way point and a cop noticed it. He chased me down and gave me a ticket for driving through a pedestrian walkway while pedestrians were in it. I fought the ticket but lost.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: I had an similar experience you had, when you related earlier in this forum about a guy peeing at a phone booth. I was waiting at an intersection two days ago and heard something, like running water. I turned to look and saw water coming from the phone booth. I looked more carefully, and this guy was peeing. He looked at me and gave me such a stare. He stopped, zipped up, and took off. Wow. No wonder this city stinks so much.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
The whole grocery store thing has me remembering this one time while working at one when I was checking out a customer and their food was all rung up. Just as I was about to hit the total button, this lady comes up and pushes her food right over the scanner and puts it on the list of the customer I am helping. There started this whole arguement and I had to have my manager come over to take the items off (they were soda as I recall). The guy I was helping was a friend of mine and he was so mad that this lady was trying to get him pay for some of her items. She claimed it was an accident. I am not supposed to really get into arguements but I knew that it as no accident. It's like when my mother and I go to the bank. When we just get there, we get someone behind us honking their horns for us to hurry when we haven''t even pulled out our cards yet. What's the rush? Good grief!
As for gum smacking, my husband hates that, too. But what gets him more is teens abbreviating everything. For instance, "O.M.G.W.T.H." Translated: OH, My Gosh. What The Heck!?" And people talking on their cells going 15 in a 40.
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adhthagreat 2yrs+
I notice most of my pet peeves when I'm on the subway. When you're waiting in a crowd you just notice things.

1. I'm always lucky enough to be near someone who SMELLS so horribly. I would say something if I wasn't afraid to open my mouth.

2. Really loud cell phone talking. Seems this one is pretty common. You don't need the whole car to hear you, m'am.

OH I just remembered.. the worst thing EVER.. Doesn't have to do with the subway, though.

I was driving uptown and the light was CLEARLY GREEN.. I mean.. the "no-crossing" light was flashing brighter than ever this day and someone on his cellphone decides to jaywalk RIGHT before I cross.. luckily I slammed on my breaks and stopped before I struck this noob. Get this.. he starts yelling at me like I was the one who just walked in the middle of the road! Some people! Yucck.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: What really gets me is when a bunch of kids get in the subway, and begin screaming at each other. The noise level is deafening.
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DBlack 2yrs+
@adhthagreat Pedestrians in this city, man! They all have a death wish. They purposely walk out in front of you, just asking to get hit. Like, a ten ton metal machine coming at them doesn't significantly factor into their decision to cross a street.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
[email protected]: I wouldn't be one of those people. I firmly believe in cross walks. Though when I lived in ID, I was walking to work and at this one intersection, I almost got hit by four different cars when I had the right of way. So many accidents have happened there. I wont describe them. They are so horrible. Other than that I prefer crosswalks. After all, I've been hit by a car while on my bike. Was knocked out with that one. Then when in WA I somehow lost my thoughts (literally, and I can't describe it). Found my self in the middle of the main road almost getting hit by a greyhound bus. Horrifying. I worry it will happen again. Which is why driving makes me nervous. It may have been long ago but still . . .
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Freyja4: Oh, my word. You have had difficult times, haven't you. I don't like driving in this city and avoid it as much as possible. That is why I do not own a car. If I have to go out of town, I'll rent a car. And I will get out of the city as fast as I can so as to avoid getting hit.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
@hhusted: When I lived in ID, I thought it would be great to visit Boise, and while they have a great night life and fun recreational activities for families such as festivals (other than the Boise River fest, they don't do it anymore. Luckily, I got to go the last year it was open. Great fun.) I still wouldn't drive in Boise. Too many one way streets. In Bellingham, WA (where that greyhound almost hit me) the streets tend to be narrow, Idaho Falls, slanted streets which actually bugged me, and SLC is horrible. Utah drivers aren't great in the country. While living in Wyoming, they get yelled at a lot for their driving. I can't imagine how they would fit in with NYC. I'd like to see that. Speaking of which I have a cousin whose from Utah/Wyoming. She moved to NYC once for short while to be a . . . dancer of sorts and she called her dad up crying becuase she was lost. I just find it funny I guess. That's why maps are so good. I don't care for GPS's. Call me old fashioned.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Freyja4: GPS systems are great when they work. But when they don't you can get sent somewhere you don't want to be.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Freyja4 We dont keep a car in the city either but do like renting from Hertz Connect because all their cars are equipped with GPS systems which has worked out well for us so far.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Yeah, I read somewhere Hertz is trying to establish themselves in the rental car market like Zipcar is doing. I think that is a good thing for it leads to competition, which in turn will lower prices.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
@hhusted: LOL That reminds me of that scene int The Simpson's movie where Lisa says that somebody will evntually find the dome and the head of the EPA tells her not to be so sure of it. Next scene a guy is driving and coming up on Springfield, "Coming up on your right . . ." Springfield disapears off the map, "Nothing!"
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@adhthagreat Do you take a lot of elevated trains? It's not like there is a whole lot of cell phone reception on most trains...
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I used to use Hertz when we had a house up in the Berkshires, but no car. We'd train up to White Plains and then hire a car for a weekend. It was pretty straightforward and easy - definitely worth it
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
I have a pet peeve - though someone may have already mentioned it: breast feeding on the subway! Can't you just wait until we are not all crammed in a tiny car with you to whip out your baby feeders?
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DBlack 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Wow yeah, you've seen that? Not that I have a problem with the sight of breastfeeding, but a rolling, rocking crowded subway might not be the best place to do that. Or the most sanitary and peaceful for the kid.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps I guess it comes down to what is more annoying: a hungry screaming baby or a woman who brings out the big guns in public?
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps I have never seen anyone breastfeed on the Subway! but then again I largely use the No.6 line which is almost always so crowded that you have barely any place to stand let alone to sit and breastfeed.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: I never saw a woman breast feed on a subway either. Guess I've been fortunate not to see them.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I am on the R, which I often switch over to via the N - and I have seen this twice in the past few weeks. I don't know what the deal is. The first time it happened a woman was just giving her baby the breast bottle right there in the priority seating for disabled people as she yelled a conversation across the car to her twin sister and other family members ten feet away. A real class act. The second time was on the 4th - the trains were crammed with people returning home from the beaches, and I could almost understand it that time because the mommy and baby had probably been out all day. Still not something I'm dying to see, of course.

@BroadwayBK I can tune out a baby crying - but breastfeeding I don't really care to witness. Ever.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Everybody: Isn't breastfeeding in public places supposed to be banned? Or was that some other city?
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted don't think its banned , here's the link to an article that says mothers are within their rights to breast feed in public places.
http://www.nymetroparents.com/newarticle.cfm?colid=7397
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Freyja4 2yrs+
I do know hat some public places prohibit it as long as you have somethng to cover up with.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Doesn't seem like such a big deal, although that class act lady with the shouting NeverSleeps described would probably bother me whether she was breastfeeding or not. Anyways, it's just breasts and we all have them more or less (my case, less...)
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone apparently Public breastfeeding is a hot topic in the media lately ..thanks to reality star Kim Kardashian who recently raged at a mum who was breastfeeding at a restaurant where the star was having lunch.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20008409-10391704.html
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
I think women are within their rights to breastfeed in public - it HAS to be legal, and I'm all for that. But do you have to do it on the train! At a restaurant at least you can get up and have some privacy in the restroom. And you're not touching anyone next to you.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Is it my imagination or are the majority of women who feel uncomfortable with the sight women who don't have babies?
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Freyja4 2yrs+
You make a good point @Uraniumfish. I dont feel awkward about it. Now what I don't like, though have kids, is when babies are changed in public. I saw it once at a hospital. They did it on the floor. Now, if the bathrooms are out, I can understand. But jeez.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Freyja4 That's totally not on!
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Freyja4 2yrs+
@uptowngirl: I know. Very disgusting.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Freyja4: I agree with you. Seeing a woman breastfeed the baby I can tolerate. But changing a baby in front of others, while they eat is disgusting. They should be told by the waiter or person in charge of the restaurant to go to the bathroom.
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I think in both cases it's appropriate to breastfeed or change your child in private. I remember going over to a friend's house when I was younger and the mother started breastfeeding her younger child in front of me - I found it quite uncomfortable and strange!
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
So, hanging around in the park in my neighborhood this afternoon, I realized it's mommy heaven around here! They should call this Pregnancy Hill.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish You can always come visit me in Pregnancy Slope as well.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Yeah, I'm basically in the middle between Pregnancy Slope and Pregnancy Hill, there's all kinds of baby-makin' going on around here.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
LOL I remember when I lived in TX. It seemed everyone was getting preggo. We joked that it was the water. I was told back then, "You're next!" I laughed and said, "I don't think so." Well, I was right. At least when it came to where I lived. I got preggo about two years out of high school. But at least I can say it wasn't because of the water. HA!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Ha, you guys. I don't think there are many more pregnant women in the world than there were a few years ago - maybe you are just noticing it more now that you've gotten to be around that age where your peers start popping them out?
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Freyja4 2yrs+
That was the only time I noticed other than when I was preggo myself. I know of one person that is preggo though.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK It's also that the media seems to be focusing on pregnant celebrities much more nowadays somehow its very fashionable to have a bun in the oven and then lose all your baby weight almost immediately after you give birth.
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I've just gotten to the age where the first round of my friends are starting to get married - scary stuff! I'm in a long-term relationship, but no way do I feel old enough to get married. I was just at a wedding last week and they LOOKED SO YOUNG!
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Freyja4 2yrs+
@uptowngirl: Yeah almost like getting preggo and then losing weight is a diet fad. I wanted to keep my after preggo weight on my tiny body. Sadly, this did not happen. Well, I better get off the computer. I'm very sick today on top of having women problems that shouldn't be happening and my doc says I'm fine. I'm not fine and I know it. It's all too wrong.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Freyja4 oh dear! that doesnt sound very good , feel better soon
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Freyja4 2yrs+
I'm hoping to see a specialist soon. One of my doctors doesn't seem phased by it. The other told me to look for a specialist and he'll give me a referal. He agrees that what issues I'm having don't seem okay. On the other hand my husband just found out he has pre-diabetes and high cholestoral. All on top of his sometimes high blood pressure and triglycerides and needing a low-sodium diet. Gee, making dinner is going to really take some work. I Plan to change the whole families overall but then have to help myself individually because I need high fiber and calories. My husband needs to lose weight too. So, yeah. This is going to be tough. My cold is doing good though. He is also on the path to quit smoking.

On another note, my sleeping sucks. The baby wont stay asleep at night. Driving me nuts and he is fussy during the day. OI!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I absolutely agree that the media has been glamorizing pregnancy... I don't know why, it doesn't seem like there's actually anything glamorous about giving birth.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Nevertheless it's the miracle of life and all, which is pretty amazing...hence the willingness of celebrities to show it off.

Maybe a few years ago being pregnant was considered one of those things you don't show in public, and so celebrities tended to stay out of the limelight for those nine months...But then Demi Moore did that cover and now the baby bump isn't something you need to hide from view any more...
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Yeah, your comment made me think about just how amazing pregnancy actually is... I don't necessarily think it's a good thing to glamorize baby making - it's something you really have to prepare yourself for, it's not like buying a new pair of Manolos - but it is something beautiful, even if it isn't all roses.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
LOL You know, though I've been disowned by my father, step-mother and sister, I recall my sister saying one time, "I can't wait to have a baby." My husband and I looked at her and thought she was nuts. It's not so much her having kids, it's the thought that with her being so sexually active at her young age and finding out that she may be pregnant later in the future is not something I want her to glamorize. It's a big step. Though my first pregnancy wasn't planned, I'm glad I wasn't too young. I hope my grandmother, God rest her soul doesn't take that offensively. She was 14/15 when she had my Uncle. That was back in the mid-fifties. My sister always got so excited when she saw me preggo with my son this last time. I've never seen someone get that giddy over their older sister's baby bump. BTW my sis will be 17 this year. She started being active about . . . two years ago, I think. It may be TMI, but I was older than that when I began. Is 20 to old for a first? I always get people looking at me like I'm an alien when I tell them. I'm not religious and being married first was not an influence. Also, I think my sister gets too much in her head from celeb's being preggo and seeing pics of them all over.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Freyja4 That's exactly my point.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Never Sleeps spot on
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Wow - that's crazy! I mean, fourteen is really young to be active-proper. (Making out in the locker room, yes - but anything that can lead to pregnancy? That's a definite no no). The idea of being pregnant at such a young age is frightening - how can a fourteen year olds' body even *HANDLE* a pregnancy, let alone the emotional repercussions of parenthood!
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
They did it at fourteen in the olden days - your body gets ready for it at around 13, and they say that girls are hitting puberty much earlier these days, which may or may not have something to do with childhood obesity.

Also I think a lot of girls who get started with sexual activity early (by today's standards) often do so because they've been through a traumatic experience or come from a dysfunctional family. Maybe it's different these days, but when I was in ninth grade you didn't want to be that girl - so peer pressure wasn't a big factor in making that leap. Then again I suppose it depends on who you are trying to impress...
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK well said but I do think more than peer pressure its all this in your face sexuality that has definitely a role to play in shaping the sexual habits of today's youth. So often I see really young mothers pushing strollers on the subway and I can't help but think that these young girls are babies themselves and they should be out studying or enjoying themselves rather than assuming the responsibilities of being a parent. Wasn't there a recent TV series about this issue? The Secret Life of the American Teenager
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/03/secret_life_teenager_abc_famil.html
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Freyja4 2yrs+
Hey guys sorry it took me a bit to get back to ya'll. Plus the website was being mean to me. It wouldn't let me log in. Anyway, I have been busy with appointments and school for both me and my daughter. My kid has strep throat, my husband has pre-diabetes and I have to have surgery on my uterus (which I'm scared but willing to do).

I don't know if my grandmother was pressured when she was young. I never asked. My mother says she was promiscuous. But who am I too judge what I don't know? As for my sister I think she did it for three reasons: One, she felt she needed to fill a void about being teased over her weight. She's not that fat. I think she's gorgeous. Dark skin and beautiful black hair and eyes. Two, she felt she had to fit in because most of everyone else she knew was doing it and three because she may have felt that that was the only way she'd get a boyfriend.

I can say that I've seen many teen parents slack n the parenting. One was fifteen when she had hers and now she can't take care of her kid because she is in juvenile detention. I don't know what for but I know she partied a lot. An old friend of mine took a while before she really took on the role. She used to just leave her kid with random people. But now she doesn't even act like that. Very different in that area. She is still odd to talk to. It's like some part of her thinking isn't there. She's always had that.

And yes there is a show titled The Secret Life of An American Teenager. It's still going. It's all absurd drama. Not to sound funky but Degrassi has more to it. They do do episodes that have a moral to them and on one they commented on guns in school and safety. Because on of the characters got shot and became a paraplegic. When it came to teen pregnancy, one girl gave her kid up for adoption because she wasn't ready. The drama had more of a reason behind it in my point of view.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
What about Teen Mom? The reality series on MTV? I think that is a better one because it shows you how much having a baby at a young age messes with your life.

@uptowngirl You have a point about the in-your-face sexuality - I think that messes with kids more than most people realize. Especially when it comes to the body image most young girls have. And then on the flip side of that is the weird puritanical views on sex the Protestants left behind.... Our culture certainly has some warped views on sexuality.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps You're spot on .. it must be tough growing up in these times of information overload when you don't clearly know what path to follow and are often guided in your choices by trashy,supermarket tabloids and reality shows.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I mean, technically the world I grew up in wasn't much different - I actually used to read Cosmo when I was about 15, and the content was not exactly age-appropriate. I just thought it was cool to read when I was a young fool. Though now I realize it, well, isn't so awesome to portray women in scandalous dresses alongside headlines that scream SEX in capital letters on magazine covers every month.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Now that you mention it even I used to read Cosmo when I was in my teens and early 20's but I think the exposure and awareness is much more when I look at my nieces and see how they dress and behave .. I somehow seem to believe my generation was much more innocent and sheltered. Nowadays kids 'have been there done that' by the time they are in their early teens which is a bit scary and the relentless media coverage of train wrecks like Lindsay Lohan, Brittney Spears et al just doesn't help does it?
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Freyja4 2yrs+
I haven't read Cosmo in years!!! LOL I read Redbook now. It's like my tastes changed. Cosmo seems so. . . unchaste to me. even Teen Cosmo sends the wrong signals. That and Teen Vogue. WTH?! I began with Seventeen when I was about 14 years old then went to Cosmo at 15/16 um. . . . can't remember what I read after that. I haven't read Redbook either for a while but last I was reading them they had more concerns than just sex. They had worldly issues and talked "about" women not TO women. If you get what I mean. And Teen Mom is an interesting show. I don't know what message it sends I just hope more girls aren't wanting kids at the age of 14.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl @NeverSleeps If people would just stop buying that celebrity gossip crap, the media wouldn't care about it either. If only you could somehow make a nation take an interest in more intellectual things, or more political ones. Or just anything that actually matters.
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I just read a study saying that teenagers have the highest rate of condom usage among the sexually active! So at least all that "unchastity" is promoting safe sex! That said, I sure wish there'd been a magazine for arty/creative/political teens when I was one...
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: Well, at least teenagers are using condoms. A few years ago they didn't, which caused a lot of unwanted pregnancies.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
When I was in high school half the female population of the school was on a diet. What the heck? You know there are some weird social pressures going on if that many girls are feeling that insecure about themselves.
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Freyja4 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: My sister left school because of all the problems she was experiencing. I heard that she wasn't going to finish her education. When I finally got a hold of her I found that it was true but she is going through this program called BOOST. She actually gets paid to finish her schooling and getting her GED. It's good incentive for qualified persons to finish their education.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: There is always social pressures on kids, whether it was a few years ago or today. There will always exist something to tempt the children of today, whether it is an old device or something new.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I used to eat cookies and pizza in high school for lunch - our lunchroom in down south Florida (as opposed to South Florida) was not exactly a health-inspiring place. I never had to worry about my weight back then, but I do remember having friends who would skip meals or hardly eat anything.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish and BroadwayBK I am pretty sure that kind of pressure is still around ..size 0 and size 00 are perceived to be extremely desirable that's why I am so thankful for the gorgeous model Lizzie Miller of the pg 194 fame.. she is a beautiful plus size model who appeared in Glamour magazine on pg 194 and evoked a ton of responses.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/sep/02/lizzie-miller-model-fat

http://www.inquisitr.com/34194/glamour-model-lizzie-miller-shocks-readers-by-not-being-airbrushed/
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: I've been seeing a lot of advertisements on TV about shows coming to TV for plus size people. Perhaps the entertainment industry heard enough complaints from overweight people and are finally getting heard and seen.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl If anything that kind of pressure is attacking an even younger age group as beauty and fashion companies have begun rigorously marketing to tweens through vehicles like Teen Vogue. If Justin Beiber is on the cover, you know ten and eleven-year-olds are buying that thing.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK that's a sorry state of affairs...believe me I know I have a ten year old nephew who has now decided he will not wear fakes only originals if you please. This is with reference to his soccer jerseys. The official English Premier League jerseys usually cost an arm and a leg and since fakes abound , I used to buy him tons of those. He read somewhere that he should only wear originals and has informed me that I should only buy him originals from now on. Added to this is a periodic request for new games for his Wii at 50-60 bucks a piece they are not cheap. Consumerism at such a young age!
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Someone needs to put that kid in his place and fast. He will grow up to become a spoiled brat.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I remember being hit by the brand name bug when I was in sixth grade - about the same age. Kids in middle school can be absolutely horrible if you're not wearing what they consider appropriate. I wouldn't wear any jeans but whatever was "in" (as far as middle school is concerned, anyway) at the moment - CKs or Tommys (ah, the nineties) - not because I was truly a snob, but because I feared being made fun of by the snotty cliques who were.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: At that age, my father told me I would wear whatever he could afford to buy. I did not dress like other kids my age. When trends began to change, I still wore the same clothes. It wasn't until I got into high school when I finally got newer clothes.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
@uptowngirl I highly recommend buying wii games from Amazon. It's generally less expensive. I've grown to hate Game Stop, so I hope you haven't been giving them any business! Also I think NeverSleeps is right about kids that age - I remember what you wore becoming terribly important to other people in sixth grade. Sad, really, that a lot of kids can't shake off the opinions of their peers until they are much older.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@BroadwyBK: I didn't shake off the opinions of other kids. What I went through had nothing to do with others. It had to do with me and my family and our budget.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@BroadwayBK thanks for the tip! I have decided to give him one game a year and only if he continues to do well in school. I would so like him to read Hardy Boys or something rather than play games all the time.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted I don't remember being very brand conscious when I was at school but those were simpler times in India now with globalization and the rapid economic growth, kids in India and elsewhere in Asia are as brand conscious and indulged as in the developed countries. I still remember a conversation I had with one of my friends in Mumbai a few years ago, she has two daughters and she mentioned that they are going on a ski trip. India being a tropical country , skiing is not a big winter sport there so I innocently asked if they were headed to Kashmir which is the only destination that receives snow and offers skiing India. Lo and behold, I was told that they were flying to Switzerland for skiing. I was quite gobsmacked and wondered how this mother who was so busy trying to keep up with the Joneses was going to afford to shell out for ski holidays to Switzerland every year if her girls got enthusiastic about the sport. It's not as if Switzerland is in India's backyard and is easily accessible, moreover its quite expensive to fly and ski there.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: You never know what stash people may have. She could be loaded, you don't know. Some people keep quiet about their finances. So don't be surprised.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@hhusted Unlike Americans, Asians tend to show off their wealth. I don't think she has a pile stashed away but has a burning desire to be with the 'in' rich crowd. Unfortunately know far too many 'specimens' like her.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Yeah, well if Asians tend to show off their wealth more, they also tend to get robbed more, don't you think.
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NeverSleeps 2yrs+
@uptowngirl You don't think Americans like to show off their wealth?
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@NeverSleeps the US no matter the recession is an extremely rich country and has been for many years. In Asia its 'new' money and I am sure you know how the 'nouveau riche' behave think the Real Housewives of New Jersey magnified in some cases at least. I have some friends who have become truly obnoxious who only talk about traveling first class and staying at a Four Seasons/St Regis and only buying designer clothes. They even have no qualms asking about which tax bracket you belong to. Its sickening!
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Everyone here's an update of the most common complaints made by New Yorkers
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/02/ten_crazy_facts.php
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