Worst neighborhood in San Francisco

It seems like a pretty hot topic over on the New York thread, so it's only fitting we try and get to the bottom of the people's opinions about San Francisco's worst neighborhood!

My vote goes for...The Tenderloin. Admittedly I'm an out of towner so i take a while to get my bearings, but walking through the Tenderloin I always feel incredibly unsafe.

What do you think is the worst neighborhood in San Francisco?
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Jack Santo Sep 16, 2008
This is a clear cut no brainer - Tenderloin. The Tenderloin is one of the scummiest dirties neighborhoods I have ever been to...period. If you are a tourist people can spot you from a mile away. The worst part about the Tenderloin is that it's quite easy to stumble into as the main Market Street leads right into it. Be careful.
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lionosh Sep 22, 2008
hello there, it appears that it is a resounding vote for "Tenderloin" district. I have to agree with everyone, it's very scary in there. I started another forum topic about giving homeless people money, and if it is dangerous. Great advice from everyone as well. Unfortunately though, I think I will be steering well clear of the Ternderloin,
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TxL Apr 22, 2009
its true the Tenderloin may not be the best neighborhood. but come on for real. its not that bad. i grew up there and people make it seem like the worst when its really not. yea there'a a bunch of homeless but if you really think about it its easy to get used to. i love this hood cuz you know EVERYBODY there.
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AdamS Apr 23, 2009
Hi TxL,

So great to hear from someone who has actually grown up there!!! I'm very curios, what makes you think people hate it so much and steer clear? I've spent a bit of time there myself, and have felt quite uncomfortable as you know. Is it a case of don't judge a book by it's cover? Have we got it wrong?

AJ
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Jason Spencer Apr 28, 2009
Even Hollywood is giving the Tenderloin a bad wrap! Was watching Monsters v Aliens movie and the Tenderloin gets a mention. They say "Go into the city, but avoid the Tenderloin". Amazing reputation this neighborhood has developed.
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StephSF Jul 14, 2010
Yeah, I made the classic tourist mistake of stumbling into the Tenderloin en route to Union Square (the parking by the Bay Bridge is SO much better than downtown!) I've been to some interesting places in NYC and have seen my share of sketchy neighborhoods, but this is one of the few places where I have actively avoided streets in the middle of broad daylight :/
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FlowerGirl Jul 16, 2010
You know what's worse though? Fisherman's Wharf. You might get killed in the Tenderloin, but Fisherman's Wharf will sap your will to live. A drug addicted mugger is nothing compared to hordes of zombie tourists buying blank postcards of "San Franisco at Night!" Now that is scary!
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NightOwlnOrinda Jul 16, 2010
Despite the dangers of the tourist trap that is the Wharf, I would sitll probably have to go with Hunter's Point. I have no personal experience with it but from what I have heard.
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StephSF Jul 16, 2010
Hehehe, well if we are going THAT route, then you might as well say the Bay Bridge is the worst neighborhood by FAR. Nothing sucks your soul quite like sitting in standstill traffic.

Doesn't the 101 go through Hunter's Point? I know it goes near Candlestick Park and thereabouts which is supposedly not so good...but it doesn't seem too terrible driving through. Tenderloin is downright scary, day or night.
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NightOwlnOrinda Jul 18, 2010
I think by Candlestick Park is more around Daly City which is okay in parts but I here has a pretty bad gang problem. I don't know from first hand experience as I really haven't beent there much.

Hunter's Point is mostly that shipyard south of 80--lots of abandoned buildings. They are thnking of converting it into a ritzy business neighborhood but locals have environmental concerns.
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StephSF Jul 20, 2010
So Hunter's Point - dangerous, or just gross and abandoned, so dangerous by association? Are there lots of sketchy people walking around, like the Tenderloin, or is it just ugly and abandoned?
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NightOwlnOrinda Jul 21, 2010
Looks like you're right about the location of Hunter's Point's location. Its the area north east of Candlestick, teh 101 and 280 form its borders. I've never been there.

As to the dangers of the area, almost a third of all homicides occur in the Bayview/Hunters point area. So in 2007 and 08, there are were almost 100 murders in SF for each of those years and each of those years Hunter's Point had about 30 murders, far more than any other areas, even the Tenderloin.

Apparently it also has the largest area of chemical waste in the entire city. All in all, it seems like a real problem area.

Here is a good link for mor info:

http://21stcenturyurbansolutions.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/a-history-of-bayview-hunters-point-part-2-crime-contamination-and-crisis/
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Tracypie Jul 24, 2010
Hunters Point is not really the city (I mean technically it is, but not really) and it is dangerous. In terms of walking around at night in the city, Tenderloin probably the scariest and also parts of the Mission if you are not that familiar - some sketchy areas there. West Portal also not that safe or desirable.
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DocFrankenstein Jul 24, 2010
The number of murders certainly bare out this point. You get about 10 murders in both the Mission and the Tenderloin respectively, which is, of course, a third of the murders in Hunter's Point, but far worse than say North Beach, where you get only one murder per year.
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StephSF Jul 26, 2010
Yeah, some of the streets in the Mission are not so nice either, but it seems to be block-by-block. Mission itself isn't that great in terms of food/restaurant selection - I actually had a pretty tough time finding a decent coffee shop. Valencia seems to be far better for the food/drink/nightlife department.

Is there a hard-and-fast rule, or is it block by block? I'm still figuring the place out...
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FlowerGirl Jul 27, 2010
The worst part about the city are the places that you think are safe but really aren't. When I used to work in the financial district, all the people around give you a false sense of safety, but if you don't pay attention, let your mind wander, you can suddenly find yourself on a block away from everyone else, and then you suddenly feel like you are on a National Geographic special. You can hear the narrator's voice over in British accent: "The lone calf finds herself suddenly separate from the pack.... Little does she know that laying in wait are..."

The most deceiving place for me is SoMa where you are at museum one moment, or restaurant that costs you an arm and leg, and then, suddenly you're in Afghanstan (a total warzone, that is).
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StephSF Aug 06, 2010
Yeah, SoMa can be like that...it's pretty block-by-block, although it does have some cool spots. You are right,the best thing to do is keep your wits about you if you are not sure of an area. How does Berkeley chalk up, safety-wise, by comparison?

Realistically, though, there are far worse places to be.
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soulpony Aug 31, 2010
Ok, the TL is dangerous, and Hunter's Point has projects in it and a lot of low income housing. But what do we mean by worst? SOMA is kind of weird and industrial and dangerous, but for all that is has a certain charm and some unique amazing spots.

The Marina is by far the most annoying neighborhood in the city - no one I know will even go there because its so full of entitled white people. And what kind of places are there to visit in the Marina? Noah's Bagels? Crate & Barrel? No thanks. North Beach is almost as bad because of the aforementioned entitled douchebags who come down from the Marina on Friday night and get in fights and get shot occasionally, but it has redeeming qualities during the day.

The Upper Haight also sucks.
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Tracypie Aug 31, 2010
@soulpony - wow! Angry party for 1? LOL. That might be the funniest description I have ever seen about the Marina. I am seriously laughing out loud.

SOMA is sketchy in certain areas, especially along 6th street. But there are other parts along 4th and 5th near the Metreon and Westfield Mall that aren't as bad - especially during the day.

Marina - it has evolved since you've last been. There's no Crate & Barrel but there is a Willams-Sonoma and a Pottery Barn. I find that the more North you go in the Marina, the less pretentious it is. Like near the Presidio Theater and Judy's Cafe.

North Beach - well, I like it there, always have. You need to know where to go so that you don't run into the "douchebags" from the Marina.

I SO look forward to reading more of your posts! You crack me up.
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StephSF Aug 31, 2010
Hmm, interesting take on it. "Worst" really is a relative term; "crime-laden" or "most unsafe" may be more relevant to our conversation. As I said earlier, any soul-sucking, traffic-blocked road is worse to me in my book than a place where I have to watch my back a little bit.
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soulpony Sep 01, 2010
Ok, so I work in North Beach and I went to college here a few years back, and its good enough. But it is interesting walking to work every morning like a salmon upstream up the hill from the financial district. Every morning I cross paths with the same pasty folks riding by on the 41 or walking to the financial district from the Marina and i think about how fortunate I am to not be them.

But, its somehow better than riding the dirty 30 up Stockton, where old folks shove on to the bus at 6am to ride it two blocks to buy some roots. Note: MUNI does not allow live chickens on the bus, I actually witnessed a confrontation over this - only resolved when the waylaid passenger broke the neck of the chicken. The driver was casually satisfied to have only a dead chicken on the bus and we carried on.

I won't defend the TL, after living in the TL I decided to become an East Bay convert. And the only place I ever was mugged was in the Mission off 17th and Capp. That's ugly little place i used to call home. I noted the disparaging comments about these dangerous and dirty venues. I just thought we needed a little balance here. Ungentrified, to me, does not equate to worse. I'd rather get my clothes mended and chat a while at the Tenderloin National Forest (look it up) than get some new salt shakers at Sur la Table - yeah that's right, the ferry building is another one of San Francisco's Worst Neighborhoods if you can count the Bridge.

And the Upper Haight also sucks.
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FlowerGirl Sep 02, 2010
I hear you Soulpony. I was by no means saying that SoMa is the worst neighborhood. All I was saying is that, as a woman, I sometimes feel unsafe in certain areas after a certain hour. When the streets empty out, generally I feel unsafe and I feel unsafe when I only see homeless people who are ranting. (I don't blame them for it--my mom has told me about what Reagan did to the mental health system in this state--I get how institutions have failed us.)

SoMa, for example, has some of my favorite places as well (the museums etc.). And I fully get that with gentification more and more areas of the city have become unaffordable. Heck, I can't afford to live there. I'm generally an East Bay gal--Berkeley's where I feel most at home, and I actually find places that are overly "white"--that lack diversity-- just as uncomfortable as ones that feel impoverished.

Excellence through diversity! It wasn't just a motto, I bought into it at Cal.
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StephSF Sep 12, 2010
@Soulpony, where did you go? I like the balance you bring to the group...

Gotta agree with @Flowergirl that being female certainly adds a degree of uncertainty when walking around some neighborhoods, particularly at night. I don't want to get on an entitled gender platform, but I will say that I'll take dirty, gentrified, rude or even congested over genuinely unsafe.
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Tracypie Sep 12, 2010
@SoulPony, I don't really care for the Upper Haight either, although I wouldn't consider it dangerous or anything. But how can you say that about the Ferry Building. It's mostly tourists most of the time but that's what I love about it. To live in a city where people want to visit, make it great.
@StephSF - ditto - also agree with @Flowergirl about being female at night and feeling unsafe.
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StephSF Sep 26, 2010
Okay - here's one that has sort of been tapped into but not fully explored. That area right by Candlestick Park off of 101 is one of the worst for traffic I have ever seen. I was en route to the airport and was already late, and decided to use this area (mistakenly) to turn around in. I was in a "no left turn" zone and ended up taking a side street to make a U-turn. This would have worked great except that I sat at a red light for (literally) six or seven minutes. You know how sometimes you wonder if a light is broken? There was no wondering if this light was broken - I could tell that it absolutely was. Eventually it turned and I made it back to SFO a minute before my flight was boarding (made it in a pinch!), but it was unbelievably stressful and one of my worst SF experiences. Not recommended.
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bradgalt Jan 03, 2011
I grew up in SF, but have lived in Chicago for 25 years, so saying what is the "worst" neighborhood in SF is relative.
Chicago is scarier. The worst neighborhood, not in terms of crime, but in the lack of amenities, cultural, social, bars, restaurants, etc. is Visatation Valley. The area is so forgotten that it's about the only part of SF that Google hasn't street mapped. Stuck between the northern border of Daly City and to the east by Hunter's Point and 101, it's virtually a forgotten piece of land.
I've never had a problem with the Tenderloin. OK, it's gamey. Just leave the people you see there alone and they won't bother you. Just because some dude is talking to himself doesn't mean you have to talk back. In fact, best not too. Some of the Tenderloin is filled with people who are a part of what is called "Greyhound therapy."
Other towns have put their mentally ill and malcontents on a bus and shipped them off where they won't be an eyesore and cause trouble. Having said that, some of the more interesting nights I've spent in SF have been in some of the plethora of bars in the Loin- the Brown Jug, Ha Ra's, the High Tide, etc.
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NightOwlnOrinda Jan 05, 2011
Hey Bradgalt--I think you are definitely right about Tenderloin having some great dive bars--I went to the Outsider once and really liked it--very authentic; not like some of these places that call themselves dive bars but actually are just poser bars.

Also, I've been here for twenty years and Visitation Valley barely rings a bell. If you hadn't told me where it was, I would never have known.
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lizell Dec 26, 2011
I currently live in the tenderloin, on ellis between larkin and polk, and i feel totally safe in my neighborhood. now that being said, i always take larkin from the civic center bart-never ever take hyde, and most of the time when i am walking at night, i am walking with my dog (who is a REAL dog, not a pocket dog) so that always helps me feel safer. I have always felt safer in my hood than in the mission. mostly the tenderloin is just drug addicts and pros. which i will pick any day over gangs and violent crime. most of the druggies and pros know me and my dog from my walks, and most of them just ignore me, but plenty of them also say hey or at least nod and smile. It should also be pointed out that i am a 26 year old white girl, so maybe i shouldnt feel safe, but i totally do. the thug guys who hang out at the corner store by my house have always been really friendly as well, and maybe i am just being naive, but i really do think if i was walking and someone was following me or trying to give me trouble, i could head in that direction and the corner store guys would sort it out for me (they also love my dog)

anyhow, those are just my thoughts.... oh, and living a few blocks from polk streets main bars definitely make my neighborhood more attractive to me (i love that the tourists dont go there because they have been warned, and as a result the bars dont hike up the prices as much)
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DirtyHarry Dec 26, 2011
Its probably a toss up between the Mission and the Tenderloin, but I do definitely think you're playing the odds Lizell. It only takes a couple of minutes to get robbed or worse and the thing with drug addicts is they don't always reason very clearly--in my experience anyway.

I would actually say that most of SF is fairly dangerous. I've had friends who've been mugged and had close calls in lots of spots. You should definitely stay aware. At some point your luck might run out. And once something bad happens its hard to feel that sense of security again.

If you want to give yourself a scare get some of the people at your local watering hole talking about close calls they've had, and you'll probably get enough stories to keep you up at night.

Then again, living out here in Carmel I've probably gotten a bit soft. If you were my daughter living out there, I would be worried, though.
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lizell Dec 27, 2011
@dirtyharry- i guess i just choose to not live my life in fear. i mean, really, there are risks almost anywhere. in my hometown, Gainesville, fl, there were a string of muggings and rapes in one of the richest safest neighborhood in town-terrible things can really happen anywhere. i carry pepper spray, and like i said, i am never walking at night alone (always with friends or with my dog-a pit bull mix.) I only walk on well-lit streets and i do every bit of preventative work that i can when it comes to my safety. But at the end of the day, i am just an admin who works in the financial district and i work non-stop to be able to live in the city. I love san francisco and always have. Sure i could move to some safe suburban town somewhere, but i guess i feel like the happiness that i get from living in what is my opinion, the most beautiful city in America, outweighs the risks. maybe i will be proven wrong someday, and i hope that i am not. but i also hope that i would continue to not live my life in fear forever then too. thanks for the concern though! its actually pretty sweet. :)
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FlowerGirl Dec 27, 2011
@lizell--I totally second you on that. It is a little bit dangerous but life is an adventure. Especially while you're still young it is definitely worth it to have experiences and take a few chances. Otherwise what is the point?

I've had a couple of close calls in North Beach, but nothing too bad. And I wouldn't trade my time there for the world. Everybody needs at least a couple of years of living in the most beautiful city in the world.
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fiddler Mar 09, 2013
Is it safe around union square ar night, two old ladys traveling to see the city.
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Jason Spencer Mar 11, 2013
As a regular visitor to San Francisco, Union Square is fine and there are major hotels surrounding the square so at night you are ok (as fine as you would be in any other major city after midnight). However, be careful not to go deep into the Tenderloin neighbourhood, it can be very scary at night, see this page for more information http://www.streetadvisor.com/tenderloin-san-francisco-san-francisco-county-california

And if in doubt ask your hotel about where to go.
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fiddler Mar 11, 2013
Thanks foe the tips, is there an other area that you think would be a better fit to stay in for two middle girls from the country?
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Shroudwoman Mar 12, 2013
So much fear! "Things that scare white people"....damn..... These people all NEED to go to the Tenderloin and the Bayview to shed a little entitlement and get some flava.
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khom Apr 28, 2013
The Tenderloin/Mid-Market is definitely seedy, but there's also a lot to do around there. As a young woman whose boyfriend lives right on Leavenworth and McAllister, right by the Civic Center BART and UN Plaza, I get my fair share of crackheads, meth heads, transients, homeless and/or mentally ill people on a daily basis, so I'm careful to only walk on certain streets, almost always with another person in a well-lit area. However, the neighborhood is really up and coming, especially since Twitter moved in on 7th and Market, and there has been a lot of gentrification as of late, especially South of Market (which is technically another neighborhood but directly adjacent to the TL). There are a lot of fun, relatively upscale places to go out in the TL, such as Monarch, Noble, Mr. Smith's, The Showdown, Bourbon & Branch, and Tradition, and there's a farmer's market three days out of the week in UN Plaza. Bayview/Hunter's Point can also be pretty sketchy (it's where most of the gang violence in SF goes down), but Third Street has quite a few shops and the area, like the TL, is rapidly gentrifying, especially with the abundance of new, upscale condominiums around Candlestick Point that are being built to maximize the beautiful views of the bay. There's a great jazz supper club called Old Skool Cafe that serves soul food, and Kelly's Mission Rock nightclub is right on the water and has dancing and food. The Bayview has some of the best weather in the city, so Kelly's Mission Rock is a great place to have a drink outdoors when it's warm out.
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GaryGregerson May 22, 2013
thanks khom, as in Chamber of "khom-merce" - ugh.
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Shroudwoman May 22, 2013
The SCARIEST neighborhood is your OWN being taken over and overrun with thousands of 20-something uber rich tech kids ,faces glued to their cellphones, as they "meet up" at the latest overpriced restaurant while all your 60-something Artist,musician, filmmaker ,poet friends (who made the city cool to begin with) are being Ellis Acted out of their apartments they've lived in for 30+ years forcing them to Sacremento, Santa Rosa and Oakland .THAT'S f***ing scary dude...................
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GaryGregerson May 23, 2013
RIGHT ON SHROUDWOMAN!!!
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19bayarea91 Jun 25, 2013
don't listen to anything StephSF has said, she obviously know's nothing about anything that she talked about.
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GBPack Dec 22, 2013
Having lived in SF for many years myself, Here is a list of the seedier neighborhoods or districts in SF from MY perspective, which is all I can vouch for: First-Off, just wanted to comment on one post I read out of all these that I completely disagree with..Whoever said West Portal is Unsafe, might as well just live in a bubble for the rest of their lives, because the only even resemblance of unsavory characters I have witnessed there, are either most likely younger HS/various-aged students wrongfully-judged by their appearance, or if they are really down and out, then usually simply in transit, and never really posted there for too long, unless MUNI is delayed. It has a nice row of shops and is a pretty busy/major transit station as a lot the different lines stem-off in separate directions from there. Not to mention it is pretty much in the middle of SFSU & CCSF, as well as surrounded by some gorgeous houses.

Back to the Main Point, MY personal list of the seedier areas in SF: (All in MY Top 5)

Tenderloin -
The only reason I Ever mention this first regarding this subject is due to the amount of posts on this site, ONLY talking about the Tenderloin..Ok Yes, SF has it's fair share of homeless, it does not mean they're all necessarily shady people though, if you ever have the chance and the balls, find a homeless-person who doesn't look like they're imagining you as a giant crack-rock, and talk to them for a minute, just maybe they'll tell you their story, and you might actually learn something. I personally have never actually lived in the Tenderloin, but I have had many friends who have lived there that I visited frequently, not to mention, I have personally had Many jobs located in the heart of the Tenderloin, and pretty much spent 8-10hrs, 6 Days a week, literally standing on the sidewalk in the heart of the tenderloin, I've had a job literally 20 feet up the sidewalk from Glide Church, I have seen & talked to the same homeless people in that area for years, and they are not all that bad, if you can get over the body-odor of some of them. I can completely understand how a tourist might feel walking through that area at night, from working in the hospitality-business for as long as I had in that specific area, but as many people before me have eluded to in their posts..If you act or look like you are vulnerable, then your chances are much greater of getting messed with, in my opinion.

Filmore -
It really is as they say, the atmosphere can Completely Flip from one block to the next. Yes, I really do believe the Filmore is not the safest place, especially for tourism, and especially at night time on certain streets..but then you have this large apartment building erected, literally in the heart of the Filmore, populated by a majority of Caucasian, Art-School Students, but the buildings are well secured in that sense. It's just kind of funny how diverse, yet all blendered together this city can be at times. Having a (Non-AI) friend who managed to rent a room in that building, I got to have my fair share of experiences in the Filmore, definitely has some nice places to check-out, and some blocks to avoid.

Bayview/Hunter's Point -
Hey if the stats say 30% of all murders in SF take place here, according to a prior-post, then what can ya do. It is what it is, it's not a horrible place, as I have frequented Deep-East of Third Street many times myself, there's not much of a reason to really visit further south on 3rd, and especially further East, closer to the Bay, without any sort of purpose. I will say though, that Upper 3rd st. by Giants' Stadium has sprung up some really nice condominiums semi-recently, as mentioned in earlier posts. & if you can find them, there are some really good and diverse places to eat around there, as well as drink & nightlife.

Lakeview/Ingleside -
Now more popularly known as Ingleside, is a neighborhood that starts near SFSU and extends somewhat on the way toward Balboa Park Station without crossing over into Daly City. Yes, the nearby areas of SFSU are pretty nice, mainly populated by either students or quiet families, being SF with the ability to literally feel like a completely different city from one block to the next, if you end up in the wrong part of Ingleside, or as what they used to call Lakeview, it is probably best not to get out of your car or public transit without a purpose. I personally lived in the thick of Lakeview for a few years and made some good friends, but I know how people there perceive and protect their certain blocks over there, I myself lived at the end of a culdesac, but not quite what you'd imagine when you think culdesac in general-suburbia, this was more of a "You better be making a quick U-Turn, Or if you're creepin' slowly and you're not a narc (Undercover Cop), then there is definitely a high-possibility for $h!t to go down." My neighbor across the street from my house, there house (there G-ma's house) being literally 10-feet from mine, was walking down the main street "The Dolph" (Randolph) one night, and got shot at for no reason at all, him and his cousin didn't even know who the shooters were..my neighbor made it away clean, but his cousin wasn't so lucky, and that's just one small, recent incident. There wasn't a few times out of each month that I didn't hear gunshots from my room. Yes to the random tourist, this may sound scary, but to be honest, I loved my time there, as you get to know everybody around you, and the longer you're there, the deeper your bonds become, as "lizell" touched upon earlier, I knew for a fact that if I was ever in any need, my neighbors had my back, as I had theirs when they were in need of assistance. I had started to notice a little more toward the end of my stay there, that there were more State-Students braving the neighborhood's rep, or simply just didn't know any better, basing their residence-choice simply off the deal they found in rent in order for them to move-in to this area. As the location, all threats-aside, is extremely convenient for a student attending SF State who does not want to live in the "Villas" or directly on-campus. & if you don't believe me, look it up, even Andre Nicky talks about dumping bodies in Lake Merced, and if you've ever heard of Cougnut, used to live in Lakeview as well. On a side note, Mac Dre, I believe was more of a Bayview local.

In conclusion, I have moved more times during the period of my life I spent in SF, then I have in any other city during my entire life, and I have worked more various jobs in SF, then I have elsewhere as well. I love this city, and really miss it, but after taking an extended-stay in the only part of SF where individuality does not exist, especially in terms of apparel, I had to take a little break, mainly because of a Job Opportunity, which to this day is still the most fiscally-beneficial decision for myself, but I do still visit often, as I have a lot of friends/contacts who still reside there, and as much bs as I have experienced there, I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world..any of them, Positive AND the Negative.

So, if you ever decide to visit or live there, stay out of trouble, feel free to check-out wherever you like, just at least pretend like you know where you're going if you don't start to feel the safest..and please don't turn into a hipster.

Hope any of this helped..
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FriscoBoy Mar 11, 2014
I was born and raised in SF in the "notorious" neighborhood of Bayview-Hunter's Point. In terms of crime, violence, and gang activity, I'd say Bayview and Visitation Valley used to be pretty bad, but now due to all these rich tech scums moving into the city, a lot of the poor folks have had to leave due to the increased cost of living in SF. Yeah, the decrease in crime is great, but instead of pushing out the natives, the city should be helping them cure their problems instead of forcing them out. Soapy of the above posts annoy the f*cl out of me. So many spoiled brats have moved into this once culturally-thriving city. All these newcomers say they "love" the Frisco culture, yet they are the obese terrorizing and destroying the culture. I wish they would all just GTFO and it could be home sweet home again, but that ain't about to happen now. F*ck all you techie bastards.
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K-Wu Apr 16, 2014
Hmm, I have to say that I think San Francisco is a relatively safe city. I have friends who grew up in rough Chicago neighborhoods and rough Oakland neighborhoods, who say that even the roughest neighborhoods in SF don't really compare to the rough neighborhoods in Chicago or Oakland. It's good to remember that everything is relative. I don't know much about the Tenderloin having not spent much time there myself. The few times that I have been there have been completely uneventful and nothing bad happened. However, I can speak for Bayview since my husband and I own a house there. Bayview is actually pretty safe...I am white girl who takes public transport around Bayview everyday and has done so for years and has never had any problems. I also do a lot of walking around the Bayview and have never felt unsafe. This is not to say that you should walk around obliviously talking on your iPhone with your iPad sticking out of your purse, etc. Be smart, stay aware of your surroundings, and you should be fine in Bayview. It is an up and coming neighborhood that is slowly getting safer... and it will take time for Bayview's image to change in the eyes of the rest of the city. But seriously, crime happens everywhere in SF...touristy areas are actually where criminals go to target the unsuspecting sightseers, so remain alert wherever you chose to spend your time in our city. And don't let fear stop you from coming down to check out where the locals really live, in places like Bayview...you will get a totally authentic experience eating Auntie Aprils soul food, grabbing a coffee from Trouble Coffee, and checking out the old Bayview Opera House... which is, in my opinion, way better than walking around boring Fisherman's Wharf.
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SarahHolloway Jun 08, 2014
I lived in San Francisco for 30 years, here's my two cents: In daylight, there are no especially dangerous areas just driving around except for the freeways for obvious reasons. If you are a tourist, why would you ever be in the Tenderloin? or the Western Addition for that matter. Buying drugs? You're better off not doing that. The Richmond District and Sunset are middle class residential areas with decent restaurants but virtually no night life. If you must go to Fishermans Wharf, take a jacket and at least try to check out the view.
At night, don't go wandering around the City alone. There is definitely a lot of danger in any big city for the lone walker who doesn't know his or her way around. Take a taxi to and from your hotel.
Enjoy the restaurants, the great views, and dress warmly. Good luck!
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DemisB Jul 30, 2014
@friscoboy: I can imagine that you are frustrated by the situation. But why are you blaming the techies while you should blame the city/government. If the poor people had a chance to get a proper education or job they would probably do the same. I am also a techie (from the netherlands, I don't live in the US) but does that mean I am a bastard. I am on vacation at the moment in SF and I noticed a lot of poverty on the streets and you are right about the fact that the city should help te poor people out. Nobody is a winner in this situation, because this image gives the city a bad reputation. I was here twenty years ago and I can't remember that it was this bad. But everywhere in the world young educated people like to move to a nice city that's dynamic. That doesn't count for me because I like to live in a quiet suburb because I am already 40 but when I was young I also like to live in the city.
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Shroudwoman Aug 01, 2014
One real Earthquake is all it takes to "cleanse the town". It works every time. These new people have no idea where they are and what lies beneath this ground.All these new high rise condos will stand empty like the ghost high rises in China . But this time its too late. The town is gutted beyond repair and all the magic has left for Oakland, Portland , the Desert and the Delta. Im planning the Great Funeral of San Francisco. It was once a really great town......
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DemisB Aug 01, 2014
@shroudwoman: Could you tell me more about this development in the past years? Because in every large city is is quite normal that students, young people and also young rich people like to move to the city. And every city has it changes during the years. So why is it so different in San Francisco? Personally I like cities with a lot of diversities and different cultures. But when I am on vacation with my ten year old daughter I don't like to walk on streets that smell like urine and full of people that are shouting aggressively. (this was on Market street). On Powell street/Union square I felt more comfortable but here you have the typical overpriced stores you can find in every city in the world.I went to Manhattan a lot of times and there is also a lot of cultural diversity, but there I don't feel uncomfortable.
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Shroudwoman Aug 01, 2014
San Francisco isn't really a "city" its a small town - only 7 miles (11.265 km) square. Diversity , religious and personal freedom are what San Francisco was built on. In the turn of the century YOGA, Buddhism, Spiritualism, then Beatniks, thousands of hippies and gays came and infused the culture with enormous creativity. In the late 70's the very popular Mayor & 1st gay Supervisor were assasinated and the whole town mourned together, and then right afterwards the AIDS plague wiped out an entire generation of world class brilliant designers, artists, painters,dancers, choreographers musicians, playwrights, and the city continued mourning. Then a 7.1 Earthquake struck us hard and the people sat on corners and comforters our neighbors together. The SF 49ers won the SUPERBOWL shortly afterwards and we all came together in great Joy & went crazy in the streets. Then the DOT COM arrived and partially gutted the infrastructure - Glass shops, Photography studios, Pleating & Quilting factories, sewing factories, etc. but it bombed very shortly afterwards and all those first "techies" we called "yuppies" left the town partially gutted. The town went back to its artsy fartsy 49, GIANTS lovin self . Worn out but in tact .

THIS IS DIFFERENT- partially because San Francisco - the town of Fruits & Nuts -represented the 20th Century very well. We are now in the 21st Century and once again in the Vanguard as the Tech Action Central Boom. Its such a different mentality going from the Industrial Revolution to the Technological age. All the other people who came here- the Chinese, Gold miners, Madams, Railroad Tycoons they all learned how to live together. These new "techies" do not integrate and to the local they seem like robots. They have NO RESPECT for who is already here and who have gone through all that history i just recounted for you. To them its Disneyland . They paint everything they own dark charcoal gray, they destroy beloved architectural elements of the gorgeous 20th Century buildings such as hand painted Spanish tiles, tile roofs, murals, gingerbread on Victorians with complete abandon & no respect. The GREED is out of control and the outside developers preying on their numbers have filled every old gas station lot and vacant lot with Condominiums charging $500 & up a month for rent of one bedroom apartments. Hundreds of local artists, dancers, musicians, painters and senior citizens are being thrown out of their buildings . THIS COULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF WERB CAEN WAS STILL WRITING HIS COLUMN in the SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE ! MAYOR LEE WOULD HAVE BEEN RUN OUT OF TOWN! But part of the "Disruption" of TECH is no local newpapers, no local voice (i suppose blogs like this are all that is left.)

Privacy, Artistry, Magic, REAL physical Community (not online) and a sense of PLACE are what people are so upset about . I hope this helps you to understand. This is the Death of a Great American city not unlike what KATRINA did to our Sister City - NEW ORLEANS.
Both bastions of free thought , free spirits & excessive appetites. Au revoir Mon Amor de La Ville!
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Shroudwoman Aug 01, 2014
(That was suppose to read $5000.00 and up for a one bedroom condo)
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DemisB Aug 01, 2014
Thanks very much for the information ! It was very useful. After reading your story I can totally understand the anger and frustration. In some cities in the Netherlands, like Rotterdam they also tried to "upscale" some parts with expensive condos, but that didn't work because you can't change a neighborhood with cultural diversity into a yuppie hood. My experience in the US until now and what I heard from friends that worked here is that a lot of the very rich people over here are arrogant in general. Especially the kids of the very wealthy that never had to work for their money. But everything in the US is more extreme than in Europe I guess. As being a techie myself, I also agree on the fact that the world needs more physical contact instead of online contact. Sometimes my face is also glued to my cellphone as you mentioned earlier ;-) but I was born in the seventies so gladly I also know the other side of the coin and my purpose in to go back to the old times because I miss that as well. That's why my purpose within the IT world to create physical contact again instead of sitting behind a computer like a zombie.

Thanks again for your story and I hope when I come back to SF in the future I can sing the song again: "If your going to San Francisco, be sure to wear a flower in your hair"
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Shroudwoman Aug 01, 2014
i'm afraid THAT San Francisco died in 1969. It is very nice to talk to you. The family structure for white America broke down here in the 70's . In Europe (i go every year) the family structure still seems intact , children are allowed to remain children . Corporate culture here is psychotic and objectifys everyone and turns them into commodities.
Anyway it was a completely gorgeous day today and i remain in Love with San Francisco and always meet great people and see new things.... Thank you!
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UlyssRubey Sep 01, 2014
At my age I go whereever I want in The City. They just take me as just another one of the street people..
I have to careful that some tourist does't drop a quarter in my latte grande.
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GaryGregerson Sep 11, 2014
@DemisB: It's nice that you like "diversities" but there is also such a thing as "class diversity" and if you can't handle seeing poor people you might want to think about this concept a little more...
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DemisB Sep 11, 2014
I do not mind seeing poor people and I never mentioned that in my previous comments. I just don't like to walk trough neighbourhoods that are aggressive and smell like urine with a ten year old girl during my holiday, but I think nobody would like that. And nobody deserves to live in a place like that. But I noticed that the differences between the rich and poor in San Francisco are more extreme than f.e. New York and there was a lot of frustration in this city. This city really shows that the US is in fact a underdeveloped country.
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GaryGregerson Sep 11, 2014
@DemisB I hear you, this shouldn't be happening in one of the richest cities in one of the richest countries in the world. But yes, it just shows you how intense the war on the poor is in this country which could be seen as underdeveloped (somewhat of an understatement if you ask me!). Most of our resources go to war and prisons and not housing or education (and nominally healthcare) so this is the result.

Thanks.
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Shroudwoman Sep 12, 2014
Unless a person leaves this country and goes to another such as Norway, Morrocco, Singapore, Portugal, Iceland, Canada, etc. its hard to grasp how in decline the US is. Re entering the US from another country you see that we are an Empire in deep decline due to the breakdown of the family structure and the lack of financial support to the people due to lack of separation of corporation and state. It is appalling what we have allowed to happen here because we are too busy working or shopping. Now unless the people get it together for a general strike type revolution its too late and we will continue to fall into greater and greater decline. This is indeed now one of the most abundant cities with the most job growth, income per capita in the US and all it would take is one major Earthquake and SF is a pile of rocks.
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BenD2 Nov 30, 2014
Let the Native speak. Four generations strong in this city, and while it vacilates from generation to generation the answer to this question is simple. The Kill Zone is Griffith and Fitzgerald. It is called the Alice Griffith Housing project. The neiborhood is known as Double Rock (not the island), and is without question the most dangerous neighborhood in San Francisco. As many as 1 in 3 murders in this city occur within a 1 mile area of this neighborhood. Nuff said.
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BenD2 Nov 30, 2014
Furthermore, the TL is fine. Lots of seedy sights, drugs, prostitution and yes there is poverty and yes there is violence but it is relatively safe. It also happens to lean on Union Square so it is most visible to tourists but trust and believe that it is nowhere near the worst neighborhood in this beautiful city.
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