Homeless In NYC

I don't know about the rest of the city, but homelessness seems on the increase, especially on 2nd Ave between 27th St and 30th St. I usually walk down 2nd Ave to the store and find beggers getting in my face and homeless people snuggled up against buildings trying to stay warm.

How bad is the homeless problem in NYC? Anyone see a lot of homeless people in your area?
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I cant imagine how people can survive on the streets in the incredibly cold winters. Are there many shelters for people to go to?
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hhusted 2yrs+
There use to be plenty, but Bloomberg shut many of them down, claiming he did not have the money to operate them. He thinks too much like NYC is his city, which it isn't.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
There's not a lot for homeless people here and I think that's been a political decision, so as to somehow push homeless people out of the city. Honestly, I don't know where they go, perhaps make their way to other, smaller cities. It looks good for the politicians to make the the city look "clean" for the tourists, though the inhumanity of treating human suffering as an eyesore, as opposed to something we're all morally obligated to try to alleviate, well, it's a bit more than I can express.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
Bloomberg has infamously "cleaned up" the city, and I'm sure his way of cleaning included arresting people for loitering and other tiny infractions and harassing them until they went away, or sometimes shipping them off to whatever relatives they could find in other cities. So, it's a rather bitter thing to say, "well, we don't have such a huge homeless problem" though it is in a brutal way an accurate statement. Doesn't mean people aren't suffering, sad to say.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
No wonder Bloomberg has been often called the rich man's mayor read a particularly damaging article on the mayor and the changing face of the city in last week's Newsweek magazine-http://www.newsweek.com/id/228939
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Last summer the New York Times ran a story on how the Bloomberg administration has paid for 550 families to leave the city since 2007, as a way of keeping them out of the homeless shelter program

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/nyregion/29oneway.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
During my more adventurous years, I took a bus trip from New York to Los Angeles and through several bus changes I noticed that a lot of homeless were also traveling across the country via Greyhound.
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hhusted 2yrs+
According to Coalition for the Homeless, 16,000 kids are homeless in NYC and the 5 boroughs. They claim there are more homeless this year than in any other year.

Check it out at http://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/.

It is said that a rich city like NY should have homeless at all.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
hhusted yes NYC is indeed a rich city but like every global city in the world it has its share of inequalities..I recently read a piece on how Prince William spent a night on the freezing London streets to raise awareness for the homeless for a charity that he supports-http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/23/prince.william.homeless.uk/index.html.
We have yet to see someone from NYC's champagne set do something similair though.. I in fact hail from a city where there is much homelessness and poverty but then it is not what you classify as a first world city like NYC.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
Actually hhusted .. the same argument can be applied to the hotly contested debate on insurance why does America which is the world's most wealthy nation have 50 million folk who are uninsured and denied medical care when less affluent countries like the UK and France have well developed public health care systems that cover all their citizens.. but to go down that road would be like stirring up a hornet's nest..
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hhusted 2yrs+
Thank you for your posts. You hit everything right on the head. Why is it. It is so ironic to me. A city as rich as NYC has homelessness. Even a country like America has a lot of homelessness and poverty, but yet, certain people look at America as the richest country in the world. If America is so rich, why do we have the worst poverty of any other country, other than Africa. Someone told me a few years ago it has to do with greed and power.

What do you think?
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ uptowngirl The insurance gap drives me crazy too and seems inexcusable for a country which purports to take a leading position in the world. Watching the scruffle over the health care bill in the House and in Congress really got to me...
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hhusted 2yrs+
I know, Uraniumfish. The government really takes the cake. They have to fight over everything. I asked a Republican one time why they fight against the Democrats so much. His response was that if everyone agreed with the Dems all the time, everything would be lopsided. He said that every discussion needs to have two sides to it to keep it balanced.

In a joking matter I said, "Yeah, as long as the final vote is yay and not nay."
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
And in the case of a civilized society, which we claim we are, it's inexcusable not to have found a decent, workable system. No one says the systems in place in europe are perfect, but at least they're TRYING.
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hhusted 2yrs+
True. I saw the movie Sicko and can relate to what you said, Uraniumfish. At least Europe has their health care taken care of so no person has to pay for it. I wish America had the same plan. In fact, I believe Canada also has a centralized health care system where every citizen has free health care. I guess they pay for it by way of taxes. But hey, at least the people don't pay high premiums.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
Most Americans seem to think we have the best hospital care in the world here, too - I personally know a lot of Americans abroad who were reluctant to visit hospitals in England and France.

Apparently the World Health Organization found our health system 37th in the world, which is pretty dismal considering the wealth of the nation.

Here's the actual listing: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
And a (slightly dated) article on the matter: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
@ BroadwayBK Well that most certainly is not the case, no matter what the perception. I once had to go to the emergency room in Berlin for a broken rib. I got seen by a physician within a few minutes, they did an Xray promptly, and when the bill came a couple of weeks later, it was for a whopping 60 Euro. Can you imagine paying so little here for the same quality of treatment. Which makes me pretty confident that health care costs in this country are senseless and insane. Obviously other places have figured out how to make basic services affordable to all, why can't we?
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
I was talking about the quality of health care provided rather than its cost...

Americans don't actually receive the same quality of treatment, but pay more for it because we don't have a national health care plan.
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
I know, but the quality of care in Germany is excellent, and in France too, so I think the perception that US care is superior seems to me unjustified. Add to that the cost issue, and...
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish I quite agree with you , I have first hand experienced great care at Britian's NHS system which I think is excellent for emergency care but has long waiting lists for things like hip replacements etc. I have family in England who are reluctant to move to the US or elsewhere because they dont want to lose their access to the free health care that is available on the NHS.
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BroadwayBK 2yrs+
The World Heath Organization agrees with you too.
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I'm struck by how FEW homeless people there are in NYC compared to my other part-time home, Oxford (literally, every street corner, selling The Big Issue. I pass about 10 on my one-mile-route from home to lectures) - despite the NHS (which is GREAT, by the way - if I wake up feeling really sick at 9 am, I can call in, have free treatment, a prescription, and get my free medication by 11 am that same day!) As much as I love living in NYC, it's quite unsustainable unless you have enough $$$....
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hhusted 2yrs+
I know what you are saying, ajadedidealist. You said Oxford was your other part time home. Is that Oxford in London?
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Uraniumfish 2yrs+
NYC used to be totally overrun with homeless people about 15 years ago. They had closed down a major mental hospital and just let all these ill people go. Most of them had nowhere to go and were too sick to really sustain themselves. It was incredibly sad. I kind of "adopted" two people in my neighborhood who were clearly ill and otherwise helpless, and made sure I always had some change for them when I passed by.
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uptowngirl 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish more power to you.
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hhusted 2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: Good for you. You appear to have a kind heart. You should be commended for your actions.
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DBlack 2yrs+
There's probably no worse place to be homeless than in NYC. It can be a really brutal place.
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