Some city private schools drop the E.R.B test
I am not a NYC parent but I have friends who are and some of these parents are affluent enough to send their kids to private school in the city.
Getting into a good private school is extremely difficult as these schools just dont have the capacity to deal with NYC's growing population. I have witnessed this first hand when I helped a friend navigate the post labor day admission form madness. (Forms for admission to private pre-schools schools are given out on the day after labor day , these forms are handed out on a first come first basis so its total madness as you have to spend hours on the phone just to get through to the admission departments). Anyway aside from their astronomical fees, private schools also rely on admission tests called E.R.B tests to admit students from elite pre-schools along with recommendation letters etc. These E.R.B. tests put intense pressure on 4 year olds as they are vigorously prepped by their ambitious parents who want them to get into highly coveted schools..some parents think its okay for they kids to be submitted to this huge pressure as they are going to grow up in a pressure cooker city in any case .. however some elite schools now beg to differ so much so that they have done away with the test requirements for admission.. I think this is a step towards some kind of sanity.. its mad to subject the tykes to that kind of pressure..
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/nyregion/07erb.html?nl=nyregion&emc=ura1
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Getting into a good private school is extremely difficult as these schools just dont have the capacity to deal with NYC's growing population. I have witnessed this first hand when I helped a friend navigate the post labor day admission form madness. (Forms for admission to private pre-schools schools are given out on the day after labor day , these forms are handed out on a first come first basis so its total madness as you have to spend hours on the phone just to get through to the admission departments). Anyway aside from their astronomical fees, private schools also rely on admission tests called E.R.B tests to admit students from elite pre-schools along with recommendation letters etc. These E.R.B. tests put intense pressure on 4 year olds as they are vigorously prepped by their ambitious parents who want them to get into highly coveted schools..some parents think its okay for they kids to be submitted to this huge pressure as they are going to grow up in a pressure cooker city in any case .. however some elite schools now beg to differ so much so that they have done away with the test requirements for admission.. I think this is a step towards some kind of sanity.. its mad to subject the tykes to that kind of pressure..
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/nyregion/07erb.html?nl=nyregion&emc=ura1
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DBlack
2yrs+
@uptowngirl In that case what criteria do the schools use for admission? Just which parent got there faster to get a form?
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JenMac
2yrs+
It's for reasons like these stupid tests that I would never raise spawn in this city. What these poor kids have to deal with really blows my mind. And, they wonder why Yale students jump off of buildings . . .
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
It makes me sick - $510 for a chance at getting a kid a decent education! (you need to score highly to qualify for the entrance exams for even free schools like Stuy and Hunter). The socioeconomic bars to a "meritocracy" are really shameful
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
It is insane... and it's a system that makes sure only kids whose parents can afford all of that testing get into certain schools. Insane and ridiculous, I should say.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@everyone that's so true...it seems insanely expensive to raise children in this city , yet so many families seem to do so..for not only are private schools extremely expensive even the good public schools are now overcrowded .recently a new school opened in the school building for which my residence is zoned and it already has long lists of admission seekers.
http://dnainfo.com/20100422/upper-east-side/ps-267-new-school-on-upper-east-side-already-has-wait-list
http://dnainfo.com/20100422/upper-east-side/ps-267-new-school-on-upper-east-side-already-has-wait-list
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@DBlack maybe the schools who decide to drop the E.R.B will have their own admission test which they will formulate and administer? Perhaps they will set a new test every year ..that way no prep agency will have access to their papers and such will not be able to provide prep notes. Then the schools will be able to judge the kids on their natural aptitude...at least that's what I think and hope is behind their rationale for dropping the test..
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@Everyone when I first moved to NYC as a newlywed and was fretting about the expense of schools in NYC, one of the residents in my building told me that when I come to that stage of looking for schools for my offspring I should consider the local church school which I believe is quite excellent. When I told him that I didn't belong to the Catholic faith he said well parishes always need money.. so I guess people are always looking at ways and means to get around the system.
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
But it's $510 just to take the test! The preps, etc., are on top! Which makes it even more ridiculous
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@ajadedidealist agreed its absolutely crazy! education has become a lucrative business for these elite NYC schools..
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
But aren't Catholic schools just as pricey as any other private school?
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps I too thought so but when I checked this particular school's fee schedule it was around $12000 p.a. versus around $37000 p.a. for a school like Chapin...
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Everybody: All this talk about private schools and how expensive they are makes me glad I don't have any kids. I feel sorry for the kids who have to be in such schools. No wonder a high percentage of kids end up as alcoholics or drug attacks. The pressure eventually gets to them.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
@uptowngirl I guess Catholic school it is, then!
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DBlack
2yrs+
@hhusted Wait, which schools drive kids to become alcoholics now? Did I miss something?
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
@uptowngirl - that's crazy! I actually went to Chapin through 6th grade, and the price wasn't that much then. (1995-2002). Although I was on scholarship. The crazy part is the price differential. After Chapin I went to Exeter (on a full scholarship), and the tuition there was $45K. But that difference of $8K covered room, board (unlimited food all day every day), afterschool activities, a full 7-days-a-week social life, etc...so it wasn't THAT expensive, comparatively, in the long run. Considering Chapin is a day school it's INCREDIBLY expensive - although I just went in last year after the renovations and it really is like something out of 2001: A Space Odyssey - everything is high-tech, motion-sensored lights in the classrooms, etc.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
Do the magnet schools cost anything? No, right? I think I'd rather have my kids there rather than at a private school around a bunch of rich bored kids on coke.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@ajadedidealist Chapin is located down the road from where I live and I have seen the renovations but havent gone inside to take a peak perhaps the hefty fees are needed for these renovations even then how many NYkers can afford to cough up the sums that these schools demand?schooling is almost as expensive as a good Ivy league college... I have no qualms sending my children( if I ever have any) to public school in the city that is if they ever get in.. what with all the waiting lists and what not..
@Uraniumfish magnet schools? do you mean Charter Schools?
@Uraniumfish magnet schools? do you mean Charter Schools?
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
But the thing that drives me crazy is how UNNECESSARY the renovations are! The school was great when I was there - homey, cozy, friendly, etc. Now it looks like an impersonal spaceship - the character is lost!
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
@uptowngirl Oh, yeah okay. Where I went to school they called them magnet schools, but I guess I have to change my terms if I'm going to be making NYC babies. Anyways, I got an excellent education, which is rare to say in this country.
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JenMac
2yrs+
@uptowngirl: Aren't the public schools here terrible? I thought that's why the private schools are so competitive, expensive, etc.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@JenMac not all of them are terrible some like P.S.6 and P.S. 291 are quite highly ranked institutions in the city but better than the public schools are the Charter schools
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
I'm all for Magnet/ Charter/ Experimental schools. My time in high school, it always seemed like they were performing odd behavioural studies on us, but at the same time, there was an openness about the teachers that made it possible to actually ask questions and ultimately learn something.
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JenMac
2yrs+
Is a Charter school like a Montesori (sp?)?
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Everybody: I think the price to get into a private school depends on who runs it, since it is not a government run school.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@JenMac Charter schools are schools that are funded by both public and private funds but dont have the strict adherence to DOE standards that the public schools do but they are accountable in other ways and are apparently quite well run.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school
Some of the best charter schools in Manhattan are located in Harlem apparently.
http://www.examiner.com/x-949-NY-School-Examiner~y2009m2d5-Best-NYC-elementary-charter-schools-and-their-admissions-information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school
Some of the best charter schools in Manhattan are located in Harlem apparently.
http://www.examiner.com/x-949-NY-School-Examiner~y2009m2d5-Best-NYC-elementary-charter-schools-and-their-admissions-information
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
I know somebody who provides the IT and computer stuff for several NYC charter schools. I can ask him more. Most of the ones he deals with are in Brooklyn, though, and only have permission to operate fro a couple of years at a time, with the possibility of being closed down always imminent.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish that's a bit surprising I thought they were better funded than that given that they have a combination of private and public funding.
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
I know HCHS (Hunter, Elena Kagan's alma mater, and briefly mine) has much much less funding per student than the average NYC public school...
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: According to the information I got, private schools do not receive public funding, unless you know something we all don't. Private schools receive their money by means of high tuition costs.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@hhusted huh???? I never said that .. the post you refer to pertains to Charter schools not private schools we all know private schools are funded via their astronomical fees.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Oh. I misread the post. When I went up, I saw Uraniumfish speak of charter schools. Sorry about that.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Oh. I misread the post. When I went up, I saw Uraniumfish speak of charter schools. Sorry about that.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: Oh. I misread the post. When I went up, I saw Uraniumfish speak of charter schools. Sorry about that.
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hhusted
2yrs+
Sorry for the repeated posts. My computer is acting funny. It is taking so long for anything to work. So when I refresh the screen, duplicates occur.
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hhusted
2yrs+
Sorry for the repeated posts. My computer is acting funny. It is taking so long for anything to work. So when I refresh the screen, duplicates occur.
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
Although for many private schools, the fees don't actually cover the costs - the bulk of the money comes from donations and endowments
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
Nah, what my friend was saying had less to do with funding than with the experimental education programs they do and the worry over whether they'll get accredited for a couple more years.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
Ugh... you guys. All of this talk of educating children is giving me hives. How do NYC parents deal with the stress!!
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
And: just ran across this article about how the city is expanding its number of charter schools, just in time for Uraniumfish to have some little ones: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/nyregion/29charter.html
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
Thank you, NeverSleeps. I'm glad someone's watching out for my future little ones...
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
Does anyone on this forum have school-aged kids? I'd be curious to hear the experiences of New Yorkers put to the task of raising kids in the city.
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DBlack
2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Mine's not living in the city, so I don't know a lot about what New York parents go through with the school system except what I hear from friends.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps that's great news for NYC parents.. I dont have kids yet but the cost of educating children in the city scares me. Many NYC parents move to the suburbs when they have kids to take advantage of the decent public school system there but not me, I dont wish to ever leave the city.. I think I would shrivel up and die in the suburbs. :)
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hhusted
2yrs+
@BroadwayBK: I don't have kids, but I feel for those who do, considering the high cost of living in the city. Adding the high cost of education only burdens them more.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@uptowngirl The cost of being just one person in NYC tends to scare me; I can't imagine how a single parent could get by. I imagine having both parents around makes things considerably easier, at least from a financial point of view.
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JenMac
2yrs+
People who raise kids in this city amaze me. It seems utterly impossible.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@JenMac: I talked to someone recently who told me she had a lot of trouble raising her kids in this city. She told me she and her husband were planning on moving out of NYC to where the cost of living was cheaper.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@Everyone Just found this extremely interesting article that discusses how many NYC parents are forgoing private school education for their off spring due to the financial crisis
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aWxqqQj3nfXo
Actually I believe its a myth that a private school education can guarantee entrance into an Ivy league college ..think of all those students who come from developing countries and gain admission to several prestigious universities in the US ..they dont have any fancy private school credentials and yet they get in .. if a child is bright and committed to studying he/she can get in anywhere.. at least that's what I believe..
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aWxqqQj3nfXo
Actually I believe its a myth that a private school education can guarantee entrance into an Ivy league college ..think of all those students who come from developing countries and gain admission to several prestigious universities in the US ..they dont have any fancy private school credentials and yet they get in .. if a child is bright and committed to studying he/she can get in anywhere.. at least that's what I believe..
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uptowngirl: I understand what you say. But don't Ivy League colleges have high standards to fill. I read somewhere that they make you take so many entrance test to prove whether you are worthy or not.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@hhusted Many NYC parents however believe that by sending their kids to a highly ranked private school however prepares them for admission into an Ivy League school hence the craze for these schools..
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
It's fair, in a way. I mean - Chapin prepared me so - so well for Exeter, and then Exeter prepared me so, so well for Oxford - not just by giving me "connections" or "polish" or what have you, but by teaching me how to think critically, how to write well, persuasively, and effectively, and how to manage my time responsibly. The education I received at all these places was fantastic. I just wish it didn't cost as much as it did - (in Exeter's defense, they offer full scholarships to families making under $75,000 a year)
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JenMac
2yrs+
I'm sure the name of a prestigious private school definitely has a lot to do with Ivy League Entrance. However, I'm sure if a kid graduated with high marks from a (gasp!) public school with high SAT's then he / she will get into a great college even if it's not an Ivy.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
Actually not, guys. The Ivy League school that admitted me made it a point to say that they specifically are looking for diversity in their student body, and limit the number of people they admit directly from private schools. If they are to be believed, in their admissions process, they are also looking for the kids who went to tough inner city schools or impoverished rural schools and nevertheless had high achievements, because it speaks for their abilities much more than if they'd had every advantage at a private school. Anyhoo, I didn't go to a private school and got in, and beat out a lot of kids from our local rival which was private. So there.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
Prep schools are known for their connections to Ivy League schools. Ivy League institutions do look for diversity but it's easier to get into one if you do have such connections. I know plenty of kinds who went to prep schools and I don't know any of them who didn't go to an Ivy League school... Of course not ALL of them do but plenty of them definitely get into such schools.
But prep schools recruit students based on the percentage of their pupils that they send to such colleges, and in order to stay attractive to such parents they have to keep sending students to such schools.
I read a really good article on prep schools once upon a time; wish I could remember where...
I don't want to understate just how competitive it is to get into a top tier school, of course.
But prep schools recruit students based on the percentage of their pupils that they send to such colleges, and in order to stay attractive to such parents they have to keep sending students to such schools.
I read a really good article on prep schools once upon a time; wish I could remember where...
I don't want to understate just how competitive it is to get into a top tier school, of course.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
Something like 10 kids from my school went to the Ivy League, an enormous number for one school. It was not a private school, though.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish That is really high for a non-private school!
@NeverSleeps That sounds right - the entire idea of prep schools is to help kids get into Ivy League schools. Books have been written on the subject.
@NeverSleeps That sounds right - the entire idea of prep schools is to help kids get into Ivy League schools. Books have been written on the subject.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
I just realized that I used the word "such" about 20 times in that last posting. Ouch. It's painful to read.
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DBlack
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps Happens to the best of us...
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DBlack
2yrs+
I'm pretty anxious to do everything I can to make sure the chances my kid gets into the big colleges is as high as possible, but I'm glad if that doesn't necessarily mean she needs to go to private school. That kind of system just creates a classist society, where only the kids of rich parents go to the best schools and then graduate and get the best, highest-paying jobs. Say it ain't so!
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps that's so true about connections..the parents of private school attendees that I know seem to always emphasize on these all 'important connections' that their kids will make which will help them later on life..one such kid that I know is going to graduate from school later this week and is all set to go to University of Pennsylvania, though I wish him all the best, it would be interesting to see how he gets on and if the connections that his parents harp on about do stand him in good stead.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@DBlack: From my observation and talking to some elder people, it seems that these kids that go to private schools, are more snobbish, spoiled, and arrogant than those who go to a typical public school. If anyone has different experiences, share them. I am only relating my experiences.
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JenMac
2yrs+
Ivy League schools say they are looking for diversity; but, if only 10 people are getting in from a public school and 30 -50 percent of a prep school's student body is being admitted, it seems they're only saying that to appear like they care.
I went to one of the best public schools in California and only about 3 people went to an Ivy League. Many of my classmates went to Stanford, Columbia, Georgetown, etc. But, not one person from my 600 person class went to Harvard. That's kind of alarming when you consider that 20 kids from my class graduated from high school with enough college credits to enroll in University as a sophomore.
I went to one of the best public schools in California and only about 3 people went to an Ivy League. Many of my classmates went to Stanford, Columbia, Georgetown, etc. But, not one person from my 600 person class went to Harvard. That's kind of alarming when you consider that 20 kids from my class graduated from high school with enough college credits to enroll in University as a sophomore.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@JenMac I have to agree. Although, one person from my graduating class of 200 eventually got into Harvard - for grad school.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps @uptowngirl The upper crust sticks together.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@BroadwayBK It pains me to say that this is the situation almost everywhere in the world...
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
I'm sure the numbers are skewed in the direction of private schools. That's clear. But very satisfyingly, the kid from my class who got into Harvard was brilliant and deserved it, whereas this rich little monster whose daddy was some kind of crony of the Harvard admissions committee only got wait-listed. There was thankfully some justice in this case.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish: He was the exception and not the rule. If only others could have the same fate.
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
Exeter sends maybe 10 each a year to Harvard, Yale, Princeton (out of a class of 250) and maybe another 50 to comparable schools. Part of it has to do with legacies. A HUGE part of it has to do with athletics (esp. "preppy"/rich person sports like squash or crew - which seems to be an unofficial legacy way of getting in). And then there are some just plain really smart kids. I don't know what to think. It did seem that, although Exeter's admissions policy meant that kids from all over the world/all sorts of background could afford to go with full FA, the prominence placed on athletics in admission favored preppy rich kids who could afford to buy squash rackets, etc.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
All this talk of school makes me miss it - even if we are talking about the evils of the Ivy Leagues. I want to write a paper!
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JenMac
2yrs+
I'm with you NeverSleeps: man, college was the best. Remember when writing a paper was the most stress you had all week?
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
My first Lit class at my own Ivy League school we had a girl from the Bible belt who refused to talk about the Bible as literature because she said that it was the word of g-d. That was interesting, and challenging, and the first time I'd actually had to deal with someone who thought that way. My experience was pretty diverse. There were definitely legacy kids around, but it seemed like the legacy kids all had their own secret and exclusive fraternity or something because I never actually ran into many of them in my university career
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DBlack
2yrs+
@Uraniumfish So, I'm curious: did the girl from the Bible belt end up passing the class?
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
@JenMac Those were the days.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: College is okay. But eventually you need to give it up and join the real world. I keep getting calls from the college I went to and they keep asking me to come back to get either a masters or another bachelors. I said no thanks. I'm done with college. It is time to do work to make the money to pay for the loans I took out just so I could go to college. I'm not against learning. I learn something new every day. I just don't want to sit in a class every day when I could be home making money instead.
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JenMac
2yrs+
I would totally rather sit in class every day than work . . . .
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@JenMac I was getting a pedicure a few days ago and the pedicurist who is Korean was complaining about her thirty year old daughter who has been in school for years and seems to have no intention of every leaving. The mother was fretting about student loans which apparently the daughter doesnt seem to care about.. I couldn't ever be like that ..dont like having debts of any sort..
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
I would actually love to go to class (and continue to build up a nice debt) rather than work, too. I miss studying and reading required readings. And even...tests. I am such a great test taker.
@uptowngirl It seems like there are a lot of people who are weathering out the bad economy by staying in school. But by the time you come out past the age of 30 I think you should either be a doctor, lawyer or holding a PhD....
@uptowngirl It seems like there are a lot of people who are weathering out the bad economy by staying in school. But by the time you come out past the age of 30 I think you should either be a doctor, lawyer or holding a PhD....
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
@DBlack, Yeah, of course she passed the class.
@JenMac, BoradwayBK Wow, I so hated school in all its varieties, and the airy pretentiousness that passed for knowledge in those hallowed halls. I'm really happy to live in the real world, but then again I guess I have some issues with authority, and school isn't a good place if you do.
@JenMac, BoradwayBK Wow, I so hated school in all its varieties, and the airy pretentiousness that passed for knowledge in those hallowed halls. I'm really happy to live in the real world, but then again I guess I have some issues with authority, and school isn't a good place if you do.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
What kind of a college repeatedly asks you to come back and get another degree? Mine is always just asking for alumni donations.
I really wish I had more time - and money - on my hands; I'd take a few language courses or the like.
I really wish I had more time - and money - on my hands; I'd take a few language courses or the like.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
In Germany it was pretty typical for people to be in school until well into their thirties. Blame it on the state-sponsored free universities...
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
When I was living in Europe, Germany was the most productive nation in the EU (and France was the biggest consumer of a nation, of course). I wonder if all that schooling has something to do with it?
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DBlack
2yrs+
@BroadwayBK Too true about France. They really all do just sit around in cafes over there. But they also have free university education, which would seem to disprove your point.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@Everyone many European countries offer free university education which makes it easy to stay in school forever but unlike BroadwayBK I hated taking tests.. sometimes I have nightmares that I am back in school and have a test the next day and I actually wake up in a cold sweat.. I am glad those days are behind me for sure.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@DBlack Hmmm...maybe the French stay in school until their forties, giving Germany a ten year edge in the job market.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Everybody: I look at college as boring. When I was in college, and sitting in the hard seats, listening to a boring instructor, that really irked me. I am too creative to just sit in a chair and listen to some boring lecture. I would rather use my mind for something constructive.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
I had a pretty constructive time in college myself.
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JenMac
2yrs+
I love taking tests! That's the total nerd alert in me. I, too, had a very productive college career. I feel like my brain gets exponentially duller every year that goes by since graduating.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@JenMac: The best cure for that is to take Ginkgo Biloba, and read educational books on the side. That is what I do.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@JenMac, Never Sleeps I didn't hate college per se it was only the test taking that I couldnt stand.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
I also didn't hate college per se, but found the whole ritual of inflated grades, recommendation letters, etc. put me off the idealistic notion that I was in an atmosphere of true learning. I did have an incentive to read and process a ton of books, though, and in that sense the pressure of school was a healthy pressure.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
Oh, and I had a thing for one of the professors, so at least one of those years was never dull...
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JenMac
2yrs+
@uraniumfish: Oohh, any trysts? :)
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
Oh, @uraniumfish - you've described my entire college experience. Everyone teases me, but I have such a thing for teachers! Or rather just attractive, educated, intelligent, intellectual older men....who happen to know lots about Keats and Shakespeare.
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Uraniumfish
2yrs+
@JenMac I'm all for modesty in public forums, but...yeah, so I dated a professor. He wasn't in a department in which I would have ever had a class, so to my mind it was perfectly appropriate. And it was a great experience, by the way. However, once he found out I was a student, he kind of broke it off. I think one day it struck him how that could get us both in major trouble. Sigh.
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JenMac
2yrs+
@uraniumfish: I am so jealous. I think I'd be like a giggling schoolgirl if I dated a professor now . . .and, I've been out of college for a few years.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
I can appreciate professors, but I can't say I've ever wanted to take any home with me. Maybe it was that whole age difference thing. You hardly ever get a young one, and then when you do it's obvious that half the girls in the class are ready to jump on him. Yick.
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DBlack
2yrs+
Maybe professors are one of those great, unacknowledged fetishes for women. The equivalent of Asian chicks to white middle aged guys...
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DBlack
2yrs+
BTW I have two guy friends who are professors. One of them is a sweet guy, but it's hard to say why he still hasn't managed to have a meaningful relationship, and the other is....a major player. You've been warned, ladies.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@DBlack LOL maybe you could indulge in a bit of match making on the forum.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@DBlack Sounds about right. But it is really so unacknowledged? I can see how professors can be major players - they have all those drooling female students within their grasp. You can send that sweet one my way.
@everyone I've had extensive conversations with my girl friends about just why women love their professors, when they probably wouldn't think twice about the same guy if he was just some dude in a bar - I think their position of power and (in most cases) the knowledge they display (for those students into intelligence) is what does it.
@everyone I've had extensive conversations with my girl friends about just why women love their professors, when they probably wouldn't think twice about the same guy if he was just some dude in a bar - I think their position of power and (in most cases) the knowledge they display (for those students into intelligence) is what does it.
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JenMac
2yrs+
I agree with BroadwayBK -- we're talking about someone who has dedicated his life to learning more - knowing more. That's way sexier than a guy who dedicates his life to crunching numbers so that he can buy a porsche and Hampton it. . . .
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hhusted
2yrs+
I never thought about it, but dating a college professor may be pretty cool. At least the date would not be boring.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@DBlack was waiting for BroadwayBK to react to your post :) please do the needful..
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DBlack
2yrs+
@BroadwayBK, uptowngirl LOL! I'll see what I can do...
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DBlack
2yrs+
@JenMac And YET guys with Porsches who Hampton it aren't at all at a loss for women, no matter how "unattractive" of a choice their lifestyles might be compared to the professor types. I have a feeling I'm going to bring down the wrath of the ladies with this one, but here goes: I think young girls in college are just impressionable, and their professors are probably the only older men besides their fathers that they've ever had any extensive conversations with. Since guys their own age are probably all still dorks, they just latch on to the professors because they're...around. My two cents, now fire away, ladies.
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
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NeverSleeps
2yrs+
@hhusted Depends on what the professor teaches. American literature? Cool date. International affairs? Doable. Chemistry? No thanks.
@DBlack I don't disagree - but I did have a lot of experience around older men before college, I have to say. Just not of the same caliber that you find teaching college courses. And I also think something is up with the girl who goes for a guy much older than her (daddy issues?) - just like something is weird about a guy going for a much younger girl (insecure much?). Especially if that guy is a professor! Why does a professor who is so wise want to date someone so young?
I have a creepy black sheep uncle who is a HIGH SCHOOL teacher, and though he always seems to wait until years after these girls have graduated (with one exception), the last few girlfriends he's had he met where he works. Obviously not the same as a professor getting hit on by students, but both situations seem really, really unethical to me - on the part of the professor/teacher. Especially the latter!
@DBlack I don't disagree - but I did have a lot of experience around older men before college, I have to say. Just not of the same caliber that you find teaching college courses. And I also think something is up with the girl who goes for a guy much older than her (daddy issues?) - just like something is weird about a guy going for a much younger girl (insecure much?). Especially if that guy is a professor! Why does a professor who is so wise want to date someone so young?
I have a creepy black sheep uncle who is a HIGH SCHOOL teacher, and though he always seems to wait until years after these girls have graduated (with one exception), the last few girlfriends he's had he met where he works. Obviously not the same as a professor getting hit on by students, but both situations seem really, really unethical to me - on the part of the professor/teacher. Especially the latter!
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
Not unfair, @Dblack. I grew up with a single mom, so perhaps my professor-crushes are Daddy Issues made manifest? Although I think it's the "mature intellectual" thing more than the "provider" thing. I have a severe case of crushing on all my professors, though - with some exceptions.
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@DBlack That doesn't bother me - I admit to having a few professor crushes, but when it comes down to it I'd much rather date someone that is my own age, fits in with my friends, etc.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@NeverSleeps: Well considering I love chemistry, but hate history, I would probably have a great time if I dated a chemistry professor.
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ajadedidealist
2yrs+
You might even have (ba-dum-ching) CHEMISTRY!
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Thank you, everyone; I'll be here all night.
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hhusted
2yrs+
@Ajadedidealist: Ah, funny one girl. I'll have to remember that one.
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uptowngirl
2yrs+
@Everyone yet another controversy regarding the E.R.B tests.The NYT reports some of these private schools now allow a student who hasn't done well on the E.R.B to retake the test. The student who is offered a second chance is usually 'known' to the school. However in case where the school doesn't know the student no second chance is offered. I think this is just a another way to maintain the elitist nature of these private schools. The debate makes for fascinating reading.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/nyregion/28private.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&nl=nyregion&emc=ura1
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/nyregion/28private.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&nl=nyregion&emc=ura1
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BroadwayBK
2yrs+
@uptowngirl Of course those students are "known" to the school. Naturally. It's like they will never not find a way to keep the elite and their offspring elite.
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